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Old March 1 2012, 06:37 PM   #1
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artificial intelligence/computer, android, robots

We have always had a ship's computer in every TV series & movie of Star Trek.
In TNG we had Data an Soong-type android equipped with a sophisticated positronic brain capable of artificial sentience.
It's quite possible we will see computers like M-5 multitronic unit but also humanoid robots if a timeline before Soong-type androids are introduced.
Beyond an android VOY had a Emergency Medical Holographic program (EMH Mark I) and Emergency Command Holographic program (ECH) which allowed for added programming to be capable of artificial sentience.

Will we have artificial intelligence computers instead of just sensor reading ones? AI like EDI from the Mass Effect videogames with
ability to act independently and interact on a social level with the crew- not unlike any other sentient being.
or the film Supernova's (2000) computer Sweetie, or the film Red Planet (2000)'s computer Lucille, or the film Moon's (2009) computer GERTY 3000.

I'd like to think that Star Trek can create a character that is AI since we've already had an android & a EMH program as principle characters who had artificial sentience.
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Old March 1 2012, 08:41 PM   #2
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Re: artificial intelligence/computer, android, robots

Or you just make Enterprise a character ala Rommie in Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda.
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Old March 19 2012, 04:17 AM   #3
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Old March 19 2012, 05:45 AM   #4
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Re: artificial intelligence/computer, android, robots

Certainly a plot concerning 'The old ones' from 'What are little girls made of' would be interesting especially if they turn out to be Humans. This is the premise of BSG - what if Humanity came from out there originally and must return - all one big causality loop.
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Old March 19 2012, 08:50 AM   #5
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Re: artificial intelligence/computer, android, robots

Totally off topic, but:
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Does anyone else find these posts (and there do seem to be quite a lot recently) kinda odd?
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Old March 19 2012, 04:12 PM   #6
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Re: artificial intelligence/computer, android, robots

To me, Data and his fellow positronic androids were unique in the sense they were machines capable of thinking and making decisions for themselves rather than just following their programming without question. The Voyager's EMH program learned to do this as well due to Lewis Zimmerman (unwittingly) sharing Noonian Soong's philosophy that artificial intelligences should have the capacity to learn and grow.

IMO, the real issue isn't whether Starfleet can push AI technology further, but should they? In the moral problem presented in TNG's "The Measure of a Man," at what point does a AI cease being a device and becomes a sentient being with guaranteed rights and freedoms under the Federation Constitution? Would it be better to keep AIs from becoming too advanced (from developing sentience and the ability to pursue their own wants and needs) to avoid them from being regarded as manufactured slaves?
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Old March 19 2012, 04:37 PM   #7
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Certainly a plot concerning 'The old ones' from 'What are little girls made of' would be interesting especially if they turn out to be Humans. This is the premise of BSG - what if Humanity came from out there originally and must return - all one big causality loop.
thank you
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Old March 19 2012, 09:29 PM   #8
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Bry_Sinclair wrote: View Post
Totally off topic, but:
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Does anyone else find these posts (and there do seem to be quite a lot recently) kinda odd?
thank you

LOL, just kidding. They're apparently spambots. Strange, though, I've never seen spambots before that reply in existing threads, and even stranger is the quoting.
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Old March 19 2012, 09:50 PM   #9
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Spambots creeping everyone out by being overly polite?

Appropriate given the thread topic, no?
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Old March 19 2012, 11:13 PM   #10
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Do you think it's an alien spambot like a sentinel? I hate computers almost as much as people.
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Old March 20 2012, 09:33 AM   #11
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It's the fracking Cylons!
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Old March 21 2012, 11:50 PM   #12
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Temis the Vorta wrote: View Post
Spambots creeping everyone out by being overly polite?

Appropriate given the thread topic, no?
This is how they will enslave humanity. ("Well, they were all so darned polite we just didn't notice them sapping all our free-will until it was too late!")
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Old March 24 2012, 09:00 AM   #13
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Re: artificial intelligence/computer, android, robots

The rise of the machines has started!


Damn, and I'd prepared for a zombie holocaust.

Anyways:
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IMO, the real issue isn't whether Starfleet can push AI technology further, but should they? In the moral problem presented in TNG's "The Measure of a Man," at what point does a AI cease being a device and becomes a sentient being with guaranteed rights and freedoms under the Federation Constitution? Would it be better to keep AIs from becoming too advanced (from developing sentience and the ability to pursue their own wants and needs) to avoid them from being regarded as manufactured slaves?
I would agree with this. AI at a certain level of ability and sophistication makes sense, but any further and it does start to creep into issues of morality. The computer is needed to run the ship, and if the Captain has to stop and settle disputes between the targetting sensors and waste reclamator instead of engaging renegade Cardassians, well it does make for a dull series.

The focus should be on the characters and not the tech.
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