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Old March 10 2012, 07:57 PM   #31
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Thanks for the reviews. Judging by the above comments the ENT books aren't as good as the DS9 relaunch books then.

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Haven't read the two lone Martin books, but I've thoroughly enjoyed the post-ENT stories, and the Hoshi and MACO novels, too.
Does anyone know the title of this MACO novel? Could it be Last Full Measure?
I would infer that the "Hoshi novel" would be Rosetta by Dave Stern, and that the "MACO novel" would be Last Full Measure by Martin and Mangels.
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Old March 10 2012, 08:21 PM   #32
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Are there other novels in Trek lit that expound upon "references" in the any of the tv shows...?
These days it's hard to find ones that don't.
Especially if I wrote them.
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Old March 10 2012, 08:21 PM   #33
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Are there other novels in Trek lit that expound upon "references" in the any of the tv shows...?
These days it's hard to find ones that don't.
Fair point. There are "biggies" though like the RW and things like the Kitomer Accords (in the Lost Era books?) and even the Kobyashi Maru that have now been explained. Earlier there were was the Eugenic Wars explained. I imagine there are only a few biggies left and the Saturn Mission is now the subject of a novel too. What's been tackled in Trek lit of the "biggie references" Trek references? What's left to be tackled? I imagine everyone has an opinion.
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Old March 10 2012, 08:23 PM   #34
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These days it's hard to find ones that don't.
Especially if I wrote them.
I did notice that "trend".
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Old March 10 2012, 08:37 PM   #35
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Are there other novels in Trek lit that expound upon "references" in the any of the tv shows...?
These days it's hard to find ones that don't.
Fair point. There are "biggies" though like the RW and things like the Kitomer Accords (in the Lost Era books?) and even the Kobyashi Maru that have now been explained. Earlier there were was the Eugenic Wars explained. I imagine there are only a few biggies left and the Saturn Mission is now the subject of a novel too. What's been tackled in Trek lit of the "biggie references" Trek references? What's left to be tackled? I imagine everyone has an opinion.
I mean, that depends on what you mean by "biggie."

But I can certainly think of a few historical events that haven't been covered yet. We've seen the Earth-Romulan War, for instance, but we didn't really get to see how Earth and its allies forged the Federation. We've seen glimpses of the early Federation here and there, but we've never really seen its evolution. We've never seen the battle or mission at Axanar that was supposedly so important to the future of the Federation ("Court-Martial" and "Whom Gods Destroy"); we've never seen a novel about why the idea of admitting Coridan to the UFP had Federation worlds at one-another's throats like they were in "Journey to Babel;" we've never seen a novel about the establishment of the Martian colonies, or their rebellion against Earth referenced in the Romulan War novels; we've never seen a novel about how the nations of the Earth finally joined together to form United Earth; we've never seen a novel about Federation-Cardassian first contact; we've never seen a novel about World War III, or about the decades of unrest that apparently preceded it -- the Bell Riots and their surrounding issues, for instance; etc.
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Old March 11 2012, 09:20 AM   #36
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Does anyone know the title of this MACO novel? Could it be Last Full Measure?
I would infer that the "Hoshi novel" would be Rosetta by Dave Stern, and that the "MACO novel" would be Last Full Measure by Martin and Mangels.
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Old March 11 2012, 03:00 PM   #37
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...I can certainly think of a few historical events that haven't been covered yet. We've seen the Earth-Romulan War, for instance, but we didn't really get to see how Earth and its allies forged the Federation. We've seen glimpses of the early Federation here and there, but we've never really seen its evolution. We've never seen the battle or mission at Axanar that was supposedly so important to the future of the Federation ("Court-Martial" and "Whom Gods Destroy"); we've never seen a novel about why the idea of admitting Coridan to the UFP had Federation worlds at one-another's throats like they were in "Journey to Babel;" we've never seen a novel about the establishment of the Martian colonies, or their rebellion against Earth referenced in the Romulan War novels; we've never seen a novel about how the nations of the Earth finally joined together to form United Earth; we've never seen a novel about Federation-Cardassian first contact; we've never seen a novel about World War III, or about the decades of unrest that apparently preceded it -- the Bell Riots and their surrounding issues, for instance; etc.
So the plans for the 2013 schedule should include the first couple of novels in the 'History of the Federation' series.

If we're lucky !

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Old March 12 2012, 07:42 AM   #38
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Does anyone know the title of this MACO novel? Could it be Last Full Measure?
I would infer that the "Hoshi novel" would be Rosetta by Dave Stern, and that the "MACO novel" would be Last Full Measure by Martin and Mangels.
Yep.
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Old March 12 2012, 07:53 AM   #39
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we've never seen a novel about why the idea of admitting Coridan to the UFP had Federation worlds at one-another's throats like they were in "Journey to Babel"
Is that really needed? We see what happened on Coridan in "Shadows of P'Jem" (ENT) and the attempt to deprive Coridan of trade in "Demons" (ENT). The planet's population was further depleted by civil wars and Romulan attack ("The Good that Men Do"). And that Sarek had finally succeeded in bringing Coridan into the UFP ("Sarek", TNG). And its short straw in "Destiny".
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Old March 12 2012, 01:06 PM   #40
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we've never seen a novel about why the idea of admitting Coridan to the UFP had Federation worlds at one-another's throats like they were in "Journey to Babel"
Is that really needed? We see what happened on Coridan in "Shadows of P'Jem" (ENT) and the attempt to deprive Coridan of trade in "Demons" (ENT). The planet's population was further depleted by civil wars and Romulan attack ("The Good that Men Do"). And that Sarek had finally succeeded in bringing Coridan into the UFP ("Sarek", TNG). And its short straw in "Destiny".
Well, no, it's not needed. None of it is needed. I was just trying to come up with potential areas of Trek history that hadn't been the subjects of novels yet.
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And really, that's just Earth/Federation history.

We've never seen the Klingons conquered by the Hur'q, or the Hur'q overthrow, we've had only glimpses of pre-united Bajor, we have one line of onscreen dialogue referencing the founding of the Dominion (the pre-Vorta rescued the Founders, so the Founders rewarded them by making them the Dominion's managers), we haven't actually seen any of the Hebitian Age (unless you count the Oralian Way, who are more a Hebitian relic than a living society), we know little about the Vulcan/Andor war, and nothing about the Tellarites. . .
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Well, no, it's not needed. None of it is needed.
Well don't tell it. A compelling novel has a story that needs to be told. Or an author who can make the story seem like it needs to be told.
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Well, no, it's not needed. None of it is needed.
Well don't tell it. A compelling novel has a story that needs to be told.
You missed the point. No piece of entertainment needs to exist - people just like these things, and that's all.
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Old March 12 2012, 11:52 PM   #44
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And really, that's just Earth/Federation history.

We've never seen the Klingons conquered by the Hur'q, or the Hur'q overthrow, we've had only glimpses of pre-united Bajor, we have one line of onscreen dialogue referencing the founding of the Dominion (the pre-Vorta rescued the Founders, so the Founders rewarded them by making them the Dominion's managers), we haven't actually seen any of the Hebitian Age (unless you count the Oralian Way, who are more a Hebitian relic than a living society), we know little about the Vulcan/Andor war, and nothing about the Tellarites. . .
All good points! The history of the Trekverse has plenty of interesting places for stories to emerge.

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Well, no, it's not needed. None of it is needed.
Well don't tell it. A compelling novel has a story that needs to be told.
You missed the point. No piece of entertainment needs to exist - people just like these things, and that's all.
Exactly. I mean, hell, nothing in Star Trek needs to be told. The stories are told because the authors and editors think they'll make for good stories, not because of some imaginary "need."
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Old March 13 2012, 11:39 PM   #45
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I'd like to see some 'Lost Era' type releases between ENT and TOS. I don't think it would be too much of a stretch to see some ENT cast make it into the TOS era either.

If there's to be no more ENT novels, that would be a way forward...
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