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Old March 11 2012, 02:19 AM   #211
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Re: NEW ONGOING STAR TREK SERIES FROM IDW!!!

'Cause people are going to speculate on any little bit of information they take in or out of context. It is just the nature of fandom and being excited for a particular film. Khan has been in the conscience of fandom since the end of the first film.
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Old March 11 2012, 09:49 AM   #212
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M'Ress?
No, she was never in Season One of TOS.
Right, but if she were in Season One of TOS she wouldn't be "new to canon" per the context of my post. (See below.)

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"New to canon" is a very strange term. Why not just say "a new character"?

Could she be a character borrowed from a novel, or other non-canon sources?
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Old March 11 2012, 03:45 PM   #213
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I don't think it's valid anymore to count TAS as "not canon," given that Roddenberry's '89 memo decanonizing TAS has been routinely ignored for a long time now. Back when GR was alive, there was some validity to his attitude that TAS and the Harve Bennett movies were partly or entirely non-canonical, since he, the creator of the series, didn't produce them personally (and the same might've gone for TOS's third season to an extent). But by now, Trek canon has grown far beyond "shows produced by Roddenberry" or even "shows produced solely by Desilu/Paramount" (since the Abrams movies, like TAS, are produced by an outside company in partnership with Paramount). So I don't think there's any legitimate reason to consider TAS as not being part of the canon. It's onscreen material, it was authorized and co-produced by Paramount, it had the participation of the original cast, and it's been at least indirectly referenced in multiple other canonical works. It's even covered on the "canon-only" sites StarTrek.com and Memory Alpha. The only basis for not counting it as canon is Roddenberry's memo from over two decades ago, but that memo has been disregarded since his death, and he also considered some of the movies to be non-canonical as well, so his opinions clearly are no longer binding.
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Old March 11 2012, 08:57 PM   #214
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And to Therin, for the second time, I'm not saying I can't understand where people got the idea, I'm saying I can't understand why they didn't know better, why they couldn't tell that was an incompetent conclusion to draw.
I raised the point that I felt all the Khan/Klingon speculation had stemmed from Orci's joke. I don't believe I said anything about why some fans "don't know better, nor why they were drawing "an incompetent conclusion".

It feels to me like you shot the messenger.
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Old March 11 2012, 09:44 PM   #215
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^I wasn't directing it at you at all. I was just trying to explain what I meant. I was never asking where they got the idea; I was saying I didn't believe they could be so foolish as to think that joke somehow indicated the actual plot of the movie. You seem to have misunderstood that and thought you needed to explain to me where they got the idea. So it sounded to me like you were defending them for drawing the conclusions they did. So we were talking past each other. My words weren't about seeking an explanation. I knew exactly what the thought process was that leads people to buy into these silly rumors; I'm just expressing dismay and disbelief that people could jump to such irrational conclusions. And since you misunderstood, you took a position contrary to what you thought mine was, which I misunderstood in turn as being a defense of that sloppy thinking that I was lamenting.
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Old March 12 2012, 07:37 AM   #216
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^I wasn't directing it at you at all.
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Oh, come on, that was a joke they made before they had any solid script ideas for the second film, so it certainly doesn't count as "teasing" their actual plans.
it seemed directed right at me. Hence my bewilderment.

I know it was a joke, but it was "teasing" in my book, and they've enjoyed stirring the pot ever since, watching fans fall over themselves rumour mongering, keeping them distracted from where the real clues/action might be.
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Old March 12 2012, 02:18 PM   #217
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I took "teasing" in the promotional sense, as in hinting at something they were actually doing. Consider the context of the discussion: the question of whether a rational observer could validly conclude that those comments were actual evidence of the content of the next film. The whole point of this is that there are people who evidently thought they weren't joking, who actually took those comments as evidence that Khan would be the villain.

Honestly, Therin, you're way too defensive. You're so preoccupied with whether a given comment is an insult or attack against you that you're not noticing that the conversation is actually about other people and what motivates them. Try not to worry so much.
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Old March 12 2012, 02:48 PM   #218
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The whole point of this is that there are people who evidently thought they weren't joking, who actually took those comments as evidence that Khan would be the villain.
Sigh. I thought that was my point.

Forget it.
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Old March 21 2012, 04:30 PM   #219
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Did #7 get released today? comiclist.com doesn't have it for today, and has it listed as TBD for their extended list.
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Old March 22 2012, 01:56 AM   #220
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#7 didn't make it to my comic book shop today, and it's not on Preview's New Releases list for this week, so I'm hoping we'll see it next week.
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Old March 22 2012, 02:39 AM   #221
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It got delayed last minute. Out next week.
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Old March 29 2012, 10:42 PM   #222
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Issue seven did come out yesterday, and it was fairly interesting. I believe the solitics stated it was supposed take place close after the film's events and considering the villains revealed in the issue that seems to be the case. Kirk and Spock's relationship is starting to resemble the TOS version, the chess game was nice. Nice to see more of the crew as well. This has been better than I originally expected.
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Old April 19 2012, 06:57 PM   #223
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When is 8 coming Out?
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Old April 21 2012, 02:12 AM   #224
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When is 8 coming Out?
One per month, so any time now.
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Old April 21 2012, 12:53 PM   #225
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According to Memeory Alpha, #8 will be out May 2.
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