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Old March 10 2012, 03:30 AM   #196
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Oh, come on, that was a joke they made before they had any solid script ideas for the second film, so it certainly doesn't count as "teasing" their actual plans.
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Old March 10 2012, 03:30 AM   #197
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I found this from Sep 2010...

http://collider.com/star-trek-2-sequ...lingons/48576/
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Old March 10 2012, 09:09 AM   #198
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If the returner does not have to be a villain then my bet is Janice Rand coming back.
Indeed. One recurring potential easter egg in the IDW "Ongoing" comic series has been Janice Rand, restored to her originally scripted role in "The Galileo Seven" rejig (Yeoman Mears in TOS).
Alice Eve is probably Janice.
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Old March 10 2012, 09:57 AM   #199
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If the returner does not have to be a villain then my bet is Janice Rand coming back.
Indeed. One recurring potential easter egg in the IDW "Ongoing" comic series has been Janice Rand, restored to her originally scripted role in "The Galileo Seven" rejig (Yeoman Mears in TOS).
Alice Eve is probably Janice.
My own suspicion is that Janice will be getting a relatively minor cameo. The character Alice Eve is to play has been stated to be 'new to canon' which would suggest she isn't Carol, Janice, or any other pre-existing character.
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Old March 10 2012, 10:05 AM   #200
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It was reported when she was first cast that Alice Eve would be playing a Vulcan scientist that would also be a love interest for Kirk. This was never confirmed and could have changed in the several months since she was cast.
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Old March 10 2012, 02:42 PM   #201
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Oh, come on, that was a joke they made before they had any solid script ideas for the second film...
You asked earlier why so many people are convinced it'll be Khan or Klingons. Joke or not, some fans haven't stopped talking about the rumours stemming from that little joke ever since it was made.

so it certainly doesn't count as "teasing" their actual plans.
Why not? They planted a seed - and, in absence of any other information, it grew.
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Old March 10 2012, 02:44 PM   #202
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Indeed. One recurring potential easter egg in the IDW "Ongoing" comic series has been Janice Rand, restored to her originally scripted role in "The Galileo Seven" rejig (Yeoman Mears in TOS).
Alice Eve is probably Janice.
My own suspicion is that Janice will be getting a relatively minor cameo. The character Alice Eve is to play has been stated to be 'new to canon' which would suggest she isn't Carol, Janice, or any other pre-existing character.
Source?
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My own suspicion is that Janice will be getting a relatively minor cameo. The character Alice Eve is to play has been stated to be 'new to canon' which would suggest she isn't Carol, Janice, or any other pre-existing character.
Source?
Do a Google search. When the blonde Alice Eve was cast, the media release specifically mentioned her character was new to the Star Trek canon. Despite that, some people are keen to lay odds on Rand, Marcus or (as name-dropped in the "Where No Man..." #1) Dehner.
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Old March 10 2012, 02:59 PM   #204
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You asked earlier why so many people are convinced it'll be Khan or Klingons. Joke or not, some fans haven't stopped talking about the rumours stemming from that little joke ever since it was made.
But that's not a rational or informed conclusion. It's ignorant in the extreme to think that it represents their actual plans, because it was made before they'd even begun outlining the second film! That's my point. It's not that I don't know what they're basing it on, it's that I don't understand the kind of sloppy, lazy thinking that leads to such a gross misinterpretation, let alone the desperation to cling to a wrong idea even when there's abundant evidence to prove its wrongness. The problem with so many people in the world is that they never learn critical thinking, never learn how to distinguish good information from bad. They tend to assume the very first thing they hear is the truth and ignore everything that comes afterward. And that's how foolish rumors get started and propagated.


so it certainly doesn't count as "teasing" their actual plans.
Why not? They planted a seed - and, in absence of any other information, it grew.
Because it's a question of intent! Saying that they teased it implies that it was something they actually planned and they were deliberately dropping hints about it to the audience. But that is the wrong conclusion to draw. It is a stupid and ridiculous conclusion because they hadn't worked out the plot yet! For months and months after that, the filmmakers told us repeatedly that they hadn't started writing the script yet. Hell, the delays in settling on a story dragged on for a very long time. So you'd think the fans would've caught on that those early "teases" were not teases at all, that no intelligent observer could possibly conclude that they represented the filmmakers' firm intent. It's a foolish and irrational conclusion to draw. That's my point. Don't you care about the difference between valid conclusions and foolish rumormongering?
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Old March 10 2012, 03:17 PM   #205
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Indeed. One recurring potential easter egg in the IDW "Ongoing" comic series has been Janice Rand, restored to her originally scripted role in "The Galileo Seven" rejig (Yeoman Mears in TOS).
Alice Eve is probably Janice.
My own suspicion is that Janice will be getting a relatively minor cameo. The character Alice Eve is to play has been stated to be 'new to canon' which would suggest she isn't Carol, Janice, or any other pre-existing character.
"New to canon" is a very strange term. Why not just say "a new character"?

Could she be a character borrowed from a novel, or other non-canon sources?
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Old March 10 2012, 05:56 PM   #206
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"New to canon" is a very strange term. Why not just say "a new character"?

Could she be a character borrowed from a novel, or other non-canon sources?
M'Ress?
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Old March 11 2012, 01:54 AM   #207
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But that's not a rational or informed conclusion.
We are discussing how rumours start. That's never "rational or informed". That was my point!

It's ignorant in the extreme to think that it represents their actual plans
Ignorant of me, or ignorant of the fans perpetuating the rumours?

it was made before they'd even begun outlining the second film!
Exactly!

it's that I don't understand the kind of sloppy, lazy thinking that leads to such a gross misinterpretation
My sloppiness or the sloppiness of the people asking if it will be Khan/Klingons?

And that's how foolish rumors get started and propagated.
Which was my point. It feels like you're directing your frustration at me. You asked why people persisted in thinking it was Khan/Klingons. I said I thought it was due to the teasing by the writers.

Because it's a question of intent! Saying that they teased it implies that it was something they actually planned
Sigh.

You've focused on the term "teasing". If I chose the wrong word to describe the writers having deliberate fun with fans, please suggest an appropriate alternative.

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Don't you care about the difference between valid conclusions and foolish rumormongering?
Of course, but having seen that the fans over in the ST XI section of TrekBBS have never stopped speculating about Khan since that original jokey post by Bob Orci, I stand by my observation.

If they'd never mentioned Khan that day, we'd probably never have seen that rumour get more strength than any other other possibly-returning villain.

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"New to canon" is a very strange term. Why not just say "a new character"?
Sigh. I really don't recall if that was their precise quote, but they were talking to diehard fans. Fans who use and misuse the term "canon" all the time.

IIRC, they were meaning there was at least one character, new to the JJ Universe, who had previously appeared in Season One of TOS.

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M'Ress?
No, she was never in Season One of TOS.
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Old March 11 2012, 01:54 AM   #208
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No one said what they said was fact...and a joke can be a tease as well. Writers of screenplays talk about possible plans way before they start on a project. We know that Kurtzman and Orci have talked plenty before they actually started work on the script. I don't see the need to get upset about it. Joss Whedon has started talking about "Avengers 2". Before he left the project, Favs discussed a bit of "Iron Man 3". Shane Black talked about his plans for "Iron Man 3" as well a bit. It doesn't mean what they say will be in the final shooting script. Sigh. Once again I think this is a case of over blowing a non topic lol.
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Old March 11 2012, 02:08 AM   #209
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No one said what they said was fact...and a joke can be a tease as well.
Maybe Australians use the word "tease" in a different context to Americans?

There were so many other synonyms I could have chosen. Why do I never realize this on the day I dare to post?
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No one said what they said was fact...and a joke can be a tease as well. Writers of screenplays talk about possible plans way before they start on a project. We know that Kurtzman and Orci have talked plenty before they actually started work on the script. I don't see the need to get upset about it. Joss Whedon has started talking about "Avengers 2". Before he left the project, Favs discussed a bit of "Iron Man 3". Shane Black talked about his plans for "Iron Man 3" as well a bit. It doesn't mean what they say will be in the final shooting script. Sigh. Once again I think this is a case of over blowing a non topic lol.
But that's exactly my point -- that people who took those early, joking comments about Khan as some kind of hard evidence that Khan would actually be in the film were jumping to a careless and misinformed conclusion, because it wasn't evidence of a damn thing. And to Therin, for the second time, I'm not saying I can't understand where people got the idea, I'm saying I can't understand why they didn't know better, why they couldn't tell that was an incompetent conclusion to draw.
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