RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 140,232
Posts: 5,438,545
Members: 24,957
Currently online: 597
Newest member: zanejc

TrekToday headlines

Cumberbatch In Wax
By: T'Bonz on Oct 24

Trek Screenwriter Washington D.C. Appearance
By: T'Bonz on Oct 23

Two Official Starships Collection Ships
By: T'Bonz on Oct 22

Pine In New Skit
By: T'Bonz on Oct 21

Stewart In Holiday Film
By: T'Bonz on Oct 21

The Red Shirt Diaries #8
By: T'Bonz on Oct 20

IDW Publishing January Comics
By: T'Bonz on Oct 20

Retro Review: Chrysalis
By: Michelle on Oct 18

The Next Generation Season Seven Blu-ray Details
By: T'Bonz on Oct 17

CBS Launches Streaming Service
By: T'Bonz on Oct 17


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Entertainment & Interests > Science Fiction & Fantasy

Science Fiction & Fantasy Farscape, Babylon 5, Star Wars, Firefly, vampires, genre books and film.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old March 8 2012, 03:48 PM   #31
Captaindemotion
Vice Admiral
 
Captaindemotion's Avatar
 
Location: Ireland
Re: Variety says John Carter film is poory scripted and directed

^ Oh yeah, I'm not slagging him off, I think the man's a huge talent. Practically everyone expected Titanic to flop; I certainly don't think anyone expected it to be the most successful movie ever. He seems to be able to confound expectations - which is why Avatar could have been called anything it wants and still been a hit. Andrew Stanton just doesn't have that sort of name recognition.
__________________
Hodor!!!!!!!
Captaindemotion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 8 2012, 06:19 PM   #32
Hyperspace05
Commodore
 
Hyperspace05's Avatar
 
Re: Variety says John Carter film is poory scripted and directed

So are we going to create a real review/poll thread and finally let this thread DIE?
Hyperspace05 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 9 2012, 05:38 AM   #33
Set Harth
Rear Admiral
 
Set Harth's Avatar
 
Location: Police State
Re: Variety says John Carter film is poory scripted and directed

This thread is poory named.
__________________
Thank you very much for your concern, sir, but he does not need your religion, he has science and socialism and birthdays.
Set Harth is online now   Reply With Quote
Old March 9 2012, 06:03 AM   #34
Temis the Vorta
Fleet Admiral
 
Temis the Vorta's Avatar
 
Location: Tatoinne
Re: Variety says John Carter film is poory scripted and directed

Captaindemotion wrote: View Post
^ John Carter was Noah Wyle's character on ER.
Hah, I knew there was some guy with that name on a doctor show! (I never watched ER). I even looked up Anthony Edwards on imdb to see if it was him.

James Cameron can get away with whatever title he liked. (I wouldn't lay odds that most people even knew any of the definitions of "avatar" - it was probably just some weird sci-fi-y word to a lot of people.)

Doesn't everyone remember the immense pre-release hooplah about that movie? It was Titanic all over again...it's costing too much money, oh no, he's really gone and blown it this time...or has he? Are the effects really as groundbreaking as they say? Just the curiosity factor would get butts in seats.

No way John Carter has that kind of high profile. It's just another silly, disposable sci fi movie, and it's about to bomb.
Temis the Vorta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 9 2012, 06:16 AM   #35
Admiral Buzzkill
Fleet Admiral
 
Re: Variety says John Carter film is poory scripted and directed

Roger Ebert gave it two and a half stars, which is not too shabby...considering.

Does "John Carter" get the job done for the weekend action audience? Yes, I suppose it does. The massive city on legs that stomps across the landscape is well-done. The Tharks are ingenious, although I'm not sure why they need tusks. Lynn Collins makes a terrific heroine. And I enjoyed the story outside the story, about how Burroughs wrote a journal about what he saw and appears briefly as character.
Admiral Buzzkill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 9 2012, 09:11 AM   #36
AvBaur
Captain
 
AvBaur's Avatar
 
Location: Munich, Germany
View AvBaur's Twitter Profile
Re: Variety says John Carter film is poory scripted and directed

Since we spent so much time talking about the negative reviews, here's another positive review from a more genre-friendly critic: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/54133
__________________
HIPSTERS IN HELL - my webcomic: http://www.hipsters-comic.com
AvBaur is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 9 2012, 10:59 AM   #37
Dream
Admiral
 
Dream's Avatar
 
Re: Variety says John Carter film is poory scripted and directed

My Name Is Legion wrote: View Post
Roger Ebert gave it two and a half stars, which is not too shabby...considering.
A two and a half stars rating is considered a slight thumbs down from Ebert. He gave the same movie a rotten score on rottentomatoes.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/john...viewid=2066540
Dream is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 9 2012, 01:37 PM   #38
23skidoo
Admiral
 
Location: Fifth Circle of Hell
Re: Variety says John Carter film is poory scripted and directed

The review in the Canadian Sun Media papers was written by a fan of the books who compares the film to David Lynch's Dune (and not in a good way) and says its problem is it gets bogged down in the politics and everything. Plus he wants to know what marketing genius decided to drop the "of Mars" from the title:

http://www.calgarysun.com/2012/03/08...ps-out-on-plot

One interesting comparison is he points out how Lucas gave us a simple accessible story when the Star Wars movies began, and he saved all the political stuff and scientific explanation for the Force until later. Apparently John Carter goes overboard with the detail right away and apparently tosses in a Jar-Jar Binks for good measure, the reviewer says.

The big difference for me between John Carter and Avatar is that we knew Avatar was coming ever since Titanic was still in the theatres and Cameron's people never let us forget it. I didn't even know there was an adaptation of the Burroughs novel until about two months ago when reprints of the original books and comics began showing up for no apparent reason.

Alex
__________________
"These are historical documents - preserving them is important. Tarting them up for a night out in the twenty-first century is unnecessary" - Toby Hadoke, "Should mistakes in old episodes of Doctor Who be fixed on DVD" (Doctor Who Magazine #445)
23skidoo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 9 2012, 02:07 PM   #39
Admiral Buzzkill
Fleet Admiral
 
Re: Variety says John Carter film is poory scripted and directed

23skidoo wrote: View Post
The big difference for me between John Carter and Avatar is that we knew Avatar was coming ever since Titanic was still in the theatres and Cameron's people never let us forget it.
No, that's not the big difference.

The big difference was that Cameron's movie was enormously appealing to most people who saw it, all over the world, who then recommended to lots of other people that they see it. That includes most reviewers, of course. Christ, the thing was popular enough in China to annoy the government.

A lot of skiffy fans are underwhelmed by Avatar or resentful of it in one fashion or another but that does not, as someone around here likes to say, entitle them to their own facts. Neither "Cameron's people" nor anyone else is able to market or otherwise game anything beyond the box office receipts for the first day or two, and quite often not even that.

For example Disney's people, who know a couple of things about marketing and have managed to produce more than a couple of films that lots of people have enjoyed, seem not to be able to accomplish much on John Carter's behalf.

What, you think with a 250 million dollar investment on the line they just, I dunno, lost a post-it note they wrote to themselves reminding them to promote the thing? Here's a thought: maybe based on all their research, experience, showing parts of the movie to people etc. they could not find any approach to presenting the actual product that clicked with potential filmgoers who weren't already in love with the material.

The responses of reviewers and the movie fans online at places like, oh, Rotten Tomatoes certainly point in one direction: that the reactions of people watching the movie range from excited to tepid to confused to bored without a sufficient preponderance at the "excited" end of the scale to avoid apparent disaster for the studio here. It's down to 47 percent at RT - falling bit by bit as people see the movie and report back on it - and this Chicago Tribune review suggests just what might be one of the real reasons people aren't thrilled:

The major problem here is one of rooting interest. I hate to sound like a mogul, or a focus group ho, but at the center of this picture is a flat, inexpressive protagonist played by a flat, inexpressive actor.
If people who paid to watch Avatar had felt the same way after seeing it that people watching John Carter appear to, that movie would have tanked hard too. "Marketing," my ass.

I'll see John Carter this weekend and expect from what I've seen that I'll like it a lot, but hell I liked Green Lantern so I don't need to kid myself that what entertains me is a guide to what other people will like. The couple of people I know who are going to see JC because significant others insist on it are already uninterested and resentful in advance. Fans seem to like useless anecdotal "facts" of that kind, so I'll play too.

Last edited by Admiral Buzzkill; March 9 2012 at 02:32 PM.
Admiral Buzzkill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 9 2012, 03:08 PM   #40
Captaindemotion
Vice Admiral
 
Captaindemotion's Avatar
 
Location: Ireland
Re: Variety says John Carter film is poory scripted and directed

The two mainstream reviews I've seen today, in the Independent and the Guardian, both slated it big time. They do tend to slate sci-fi and blockbuster movies by and large, but IIRC they were broadly positive about the likes of X-Men First Class or Captain America last year.

It's just not looking good for Mr Carter.
__________________
Hodor!!!!!!!
Captaindemotion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 9 2012, 04:35 PM   #41
Allyn Gibson
Vice Admiral
 
Allyn Gibson's Avatar
 
Location: South Pennsyltucky
View Allyn Gibson's Twitter Profile Send a message via AIM to Allyn Gibson Send a message via Yahoo to Allyn Gibson
Re: Variety says John Carter film is poory scripted and directed

23skidoo wrote: View Post
Apparently John Carter goes overboard with the detail right away and apparently tosses in a Jar-Jar Binks for good measure, the reviewer says.
That has to be Woola, but Woola is exactly in the movie like it is in the book, so I don't see how that counts as a "Jar-Jar Binks."
__________________
"When David Marcus cited the great thinkers of history -- "Newton, Einstein, Surak" -- Newt Gingrich did not make his list." -- 24 January 2012

allyngibson.net
Allyn Gibson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 9 2012, 04:40 PM   #42
Admiral Buzzkill
Fleet Admiral
 
Re: Variety says John Carter film is poory scripted and directed

If it's the Toronto Star review, what was actually said was this:

Remember what an elegantly simple story the original Star Wars was, and the incomprehensible, tangle of fan-boy canon-fodder it became?

Imagine if Lucas had immediately thrown Jar Jar at us, and the Sith, as well as the Force being the energy of midichlorians in the bloodstream of Jedis.

With the ineptly-marketed John Carter the usually sharp storyteller Andrew Stanton (Wall-E) has taken a similar saga and decided to skip the simple story part and go straight to the "Wait ... who the what now?"

As someone who read Edgar Rice Burroughs' Carter books when I was 13, I can understand how devoted you can become to every bit of a cherished memory.
Admiral Buzzkill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 9 2012, 05:43 PM   #43
Gojira
Commodore
 
Gojira's Avatar
 
Location: Stompin' on Tokyo
Re: Variety says John Carter film is poory scripted and directed

Even the negative reviews indicate that I will probably like this movie. Then again when it comes to science fiction fantasy I am a forgiving viewer.
__________________
My Science Fiction-Fantasy movie review Blog: http://foleyfunfilmfacts.wordpress.com/
Gojira is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 9 2012, 05:44 PM   #44
Captaindemotion
Vice Admiral
 
Captaindemotion's Avatar
 
Location: Ireland
Re: Variety says John Carter film is poory scripted and directed

^ Me too but it's beginning to sound more and more like one to watch on DVD
__________________
Hodor!!!!!!!
Captaindemotion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 9 2012, 05:52 PM   #45
Gojira
Commodore
 
Gojira's Avatar
 
Location: Stompin' on Tokyo
Re: Variety says John Carter film is poory scripted and directed

Captaindemotion wrote: View Post
^ Me too but it's beginning to sound more and more like one to watch on DVD
I rarely go to the movies and would rather watch a movie in the comfort of my home with my great sound system. So I will wait for the DVD.

The only movies I know I will go to the theater to see will be the next Batman, Superman, Star Trek and Godzilla movie (if they're still making that one).

Even though it sounds like John Carter might have a story that is muddled a bit that won't deter me at all from enjoying it.
__________________
My Science Fiction-Fantasy movie review Blog: http://foleyfunfilmfacts.wordpress.com/
Gojira is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
flop

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 12:45 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.