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Old March 7 2012, 01:36 PM   #16
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Re: Variety says John Carter film is poory scripted and directed

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[...]so it's not true until he finds himself and his place in the world [...] that he can be said to be "of Mars." Believe me, I would have wanted nothing more than to see the words "of Mars" in the title, but after seeing the film last night I know that they don't apply.
Does the fact that he doesn't really become "John Carter of Mars" until the end of the movie really mean that the movie can't be called that? The end is still part of the movie, after all. I think the "of Mars" title would have worked just fine.
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Old March 7 2012, 01:54 PM   #17
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It wouldn't bother me any, and I suspect not many of the general audience. I expect they'd be canny enough to understand it's something he becomes by the end of the film. The dullness of the marketing campaign is a greater problem than the title alone. I liked the article at Newsarama, which highlights a lot of positives about the film. http://www.newsarama.com/film/john-c...lm-review.html However, that poster is so lackluster. If I didn't know who John Carter was, I wouldn't be all that impressed. The poster looks plain and rather slapdash, more like a bad 80's sword and sorcery movie. http://i.newsarama.com/images/John-Carter-poster-2.jpg
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Old March 7 2012, 02:04 PM   #18
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Re: Variety says John Carter film is poory scripted and directed

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[...]so it's not true until he finds himself and his place in the world [...] that he can be said to be "of Mars." Believe me, I would have wanted nothing more than to see the words "of Mars" in the title, but after seeing the film last night I know that they don't apply.
Does the fact that he doesn't really become "John Carter of Mars" until the end of the movie really mean that the movie can't be called that? The end is still part of the movie, after all. I think the "of Mars" title would have worked just fine.
Perhaps John Carter of Jasoom is more accurate until he receives the name "Dotar Sojat."
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Old March 7 2012, 02:15 PM   #19
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Interminably long, dull and incomprehensible, “John Carter’’ evokes pretty much every sci-fi classic from the past 50 years without having any real personality of its own.

You could say much the same about the title character, as uncharismatically played by the unfortunately named Taylor Kitsch of TV’s “Friday Night Lights.’’ Even in 3-D, he’s barely one-dimensional.

Created a century ago by Edgar Rice Burroughs of “Tarzan” fame for a pulp serial, John Carter is a Civil War veteran who somehow wakes up on Mars. He’s drawn into a romance with a warrior princess and a series of battles between two groups of humanoids nearly impossible to tell apart.

Despite the reported expenditure of as much as $300 million of Disney’s money and the live-action debut of director Andrew Stanton (Pixar’s brilliant “Wall-E”), it’s hard to care about anything going on in this shapeless would-be franchise, which lurches from scene to scene without building any real excitement.
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Old March 7 2012, 02:46 PM   #20
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I would've posted a link to the article, but it'd go black on you if I did, as Variety's site has a pay wall around it.
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Old March 7 2012, 03:16 PM   #21
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Every movie with aliens in it now has to be compared to Cameron's overlong cat-people fetish?
Well, Avatar was heavily inspired by the John Carter novels, so it's not that far-fetched...
Yes, but knocking JOHN CARTER for being true to its source material is not good criticism.
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Old March 7 2012, 04:50 PM   #22
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Though the 9 foot, green-skinned Tharks look much as Burroughs described them, they're curiously unappealing to human eyes, just one of the stylistic decisions that reinforces the superiority of James Cameron's Avatar.
Every movie with aliens in it now has to be compared to Cameron's overlong cat-people fetish?
Until someone else does it at least half as well - yes.

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[...]so it's not true until he finds himself and his place in the world [...] that he can be said to be "of Mars." Believe me, I would have wanted nothing more than to see the words "of Mars" in the title, but after seeing the film last night I know that they don't apply.
Does the fact that he doesn't really become "John Carter of Mars" until the end of the movie really mean that the movie can't be called that? The end is still part of the movie, after all. I think the "of Mars" title would have worked just fine.
The final shot explains it all.
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Old March 7 2012, 05:13 PM   #24
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Does the fact that he doesn't really become "John Carter of Mars" until the end of the movie really mean that the movie can't be called that? The end is still part of the movie, after all. I think the "of Mars" title would have worked just fine.
The final shot explains it all.
I've seen the movie, including the final shot (and title card). I still think it would have been better to market the movie as "John Carter of Mars".
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Old March 7 2012, 08:09 PM   #25
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There's no other choice, it should have been Warlord of Mars. Ditch "John Carter" entirely, it's a boring, vanilla name and nobody knows the guy. The only resonance it has is that it sounds like the character on a soap or maybe a dimly-remembered doctor show....John Carter, MD, was that it...?

But a movie about a "warlord" on "Mars" is evocative and intriguing, and it summarizes the appeal of the movie - fighting, power and exotic locale. It can't be mistaken for anything else. The other important element is Dejah Thoris of course, but she can be prominently displayed in the ads, so there you got the whole package: "fighting for power and busty babe on exotic world."

Then in the next movie, once everyone know who the fuck John Carter is, they can have his name in the title. That's assuming they ever get a next movie.
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Old March 7 2012, 08:14 PM   #26
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^ John Carter was Noah Wyle's character on ER.

Warlord of Mars would have been much more striking and commanding as a title.
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Old March 8 2012, 03:38 AM   #27
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Disney wasn't going anywhere near Mars after Mars Needs Moms, sorry.

The title was never going to sell or kill this one. I mean, Cameron made more money than anyone in history with a film whose title basically meant "funny little picture you use on the Internet" to most people.
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Old March 8 2012, 08:31 AM   #28
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Sure the title could be jazzier, and the film marketed better, but I was quite happy and entertained for two hours. Lynn Collins and Taylor Kitsch were fine as Dejah Thoris and John Carter.
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Old March 8 2012, 11:02 AM   #29
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Disney wasn't going anywhere near Mars after Mars Needs Moms, sorry.

The title was never going to sell or kill this one. I mean, Cameron made more money than anyone in history with a film whose title basically meant "funny little picture you use on the Internet" to most people.
But as against that, it was the first movie from JAMES CAMERON in a decade, his first movie since Titanic, the most successful movie of all time and it was well-known that it was going to raise the SFX bar the way that had last been done by JAMES CAMERON with Terminator 2. Hell, it could have been called Sam Does Pandora and it would still have been a hit!
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Old March 8 2012, 03:43 PM   #30
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But as against that, it was the first movie from JAMES CAMERON in a decade, his first movie since Titanic...
Hmm...and Titanic was the historical costume drama that Cameron made which became the most successful movie in history (until Avatar), when historicals and costume dramas usually struggle to turn profits on the kinds of budgets that Merchant Ivory and the Weinsteins can provide.
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