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Old March 5 2012, 02:43 AM   #16
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Re: Why wasn't Chakotay more aggressive and assertive?

Chakotay is a former starfleet commander,even if he left starfleet on the principal of defending hes homeland vs the cardassians when he joined VOY he was bound by hes loyalty to the federation,in addition it was not hes ship,hes job as first officer was fulfilled right,he always confronted janeway with some big decision and stood up against her,but he respected her as a human and hes captain,he even stated on so many episodes we are more then friends now etc...they became real close over 7 years even at some point in Resolutions he was actually in love with her. just because you don't like a character it does not make him weak.
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Old March 5 2012, 02:46 AM   #17
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Re: Why wasn't Chakotay more aggressive and assertive?

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Janeway castrated him. His most epic moment of fail was when Janeway sent him to his room in "Equinox"
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Old March 5 2012, 02:47 AM   #18
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Re: Why wasn't Chakotay more aggressive and assertive?

I blame Beltran. You can be a peaceful man, not given to conflict and yet still project great strength and resolve. This wasn't the impression given by the actor. I don't think the scripts themselves present him as the mushy personality a lot of people perceived and in the hands of a better actor he would have come across a lot better.
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Old March 5 2012, 03:29 AM   #19
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Re: Why wasn't Chakotay more aggressive and assertive?

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I blame Beltran. You can be a peaceful man, not given to conflict and yet still project great strength and resolve. This wasn't the impression given by the actor. I don't think the scripts themselves present him as the mushy personality a lot of people perceived and in the hands of a better actor he would have come across a lot better.
I don't blame him at all only for the fact that its been said that Jeri Taylor asked for the male roles on Voyager to act more passive in order to make Janeway seem stronger. So in essence, Beltran was playing the part as it was written. Mostly the only times Chakotay is aggressive are in eps. Janeway isn't in charge of the ship.("Scorpion pt2", "Timeless" or "Fury" for example.)
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Old March 5 2012, 06:02 AM   #20
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Re: Why wasn't Chakotay more aggressive and assertive?

Because he's not an aggressive and assertive individual. He was a "terrorist" because he was forced to be, and his resistance activities only lasted for a year or two. Compare that to Kira, who was a resistance fighter all her life and didn't know anything else.
He overall seems way too laid back to be a real terrorist or revolutionary. Everything about him early on painted him out to be "the reluctant warrior". If the Federation didn't give his tribe's colony to the Cardassians who were trying to conquistador them off their lands again from their POV (the "kinda-white man" or "He who has big neck"). He became a rebel purely for defensive reasons.

I think he just strongly lacked fire. Remember he said his father was strongly disappointed in him over his lack of enthusiasm with learning his heritage, the ways of his ancestors. Cardassians killed his father, which would help to light a fire in him. That's when he got that tattoo and took up his people's rituals and beliefs. Once he was out of the Alpha Quadrant and realizing the distance, I think he realized his fight is 70,000ly away so why wage a battle on the other side of the galaxy when it does neither side any good. That and Seska already has his balls (how else did she get his sperm to conceive that pawn-child?). He was sleeping with the enemy and didn't even know it. The Cardassians were running circles around him. One wonders if Seska lured the Val Jean into that trap in "Caretaker". Chakotay readily took to Seska, to Janeway, and even to Annorax.

Looking around, it looks like he was in Starfleet for 20 years before resigning, so he was a career Starfleet officer. No wonder he took so readily to Voyager whereas some Maquis were very resistant. He was already domesticated long ago.
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