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Old February 8 2012, 08:04 PM   #91
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Re: Would it really matter if the next Trek series were on linear TV?

So far the only sci fi series I've heard of being developed for online distribution is Electric City from Yahoo, which is animated. Netflix has one called Hemlock Grove that is live-action supernatural horror. Both sound like they could be made for less budget than a Star Trek series. And then there's YouTube's professionally developed series - so far, it's heavily reality TV, celebrity gossip and comedy.
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Old February 9 2012, 07:58 PM   #92
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Re: Would it really matter if the next Trek series were on linear TV?

I would think a proper Star trek series should be available on regular television. That is where it's home is and has been for decades, and where it should be viewed. But that's just my opinion.
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Old February 9 2012, 09:57 PM   #93
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Re: Would it really matter if the next Trek series were on linear TV?

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Because pay-to-view would be spun as cutting edge future of TV, while DTV is bottom of the barrel content.
Well said AviTrek.

These days on Amazon.com's Video on Demand service offers a 'season pass'.
some shows are $.94 while others are $2.84 per episode.

Let's compare 2 other 60 minute dramas:
iTunes offers Desperate Housewives for $.99 for a 48-hour rental,
$2.99/episode for HD purchase
or $49.99 for a season pass while another show Glee is $57.99 for a season pass.

If the next Trek series were not broadcast on a linear TV channel in the USA I'm guessing the above would cost the same.
Even if it were syndicated-only I think the price would still be the same cost as above.

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Alternatively in the USA only if CBS Television were to make deals with most of the
Top 10 Largest Cable Companies by subscribers
* 1. Comcast Corporation
* 2. Time Warner Cable, Inc.
* 3. Cox Communications, Inc.
* 4. Charter Communications, Inc.
* 5. Cablevision Systems Corporation
* 6. Bright House Networks LLC
* 7. Mediacom Communications Corporation
* 8. Suddenlink Communications
* 9. Insight Communications Company, Inc.
* 10. Cable One, Inc.
DishNetwork
DirectTV
Verizon Fios
AT&Ts U-verse
for on-demand only distribution of the next Trek series
It would then not need a linear TV channel even though CBS owns a number of channels.
All CBS-owned channels could promo the show as video-on-demand only. Sort of like "pay-per-view" but allowing viewers to see the show at any time instead of at a particular time like a pay-per-view boxing match.
I would be willing to pay a fee along these lines to watch a new Trek TV show. If people are paying this kind of money to watch Desperate Housewives (which sucks!), then a well written Star Trek series should do fine
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Old February 10 2012, 01:11 AM   #94
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Re: Would it really matter if the next Trek series were on linear TV?

Desperate Housewives isn't be funded by pay per view. Nothing is. That financial model is completely unproven for scripted drama.

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I would think a proper Star trek series should be available on regular television. That is where it's home is and has been for decades, and where it should be viewed. But that's just my opinion.
Don't worry about that part. One day, maybe well produced scripted series can exist that aren't tied to TV advertising, but that day is not upon us or even in view.
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Old February 10 2012, 09:42 PM   #95
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Thanks for the input, friend Vorta. Takes a load off my mind.
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Old February 23 2012, 05:56 PM   #96
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Re: Would it really matter if the next Trek series were on linear TV?

with this news today this thread becomes all the more relevant.
Google Is Launching A TV Service This Year on Google Fiber their broadband Internet service with Kansas City as the first city.

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as I mentioned in the provider for new Trek series as original series download thread the idea
the dream of an À la carte cable service?
so be a subscription for a season of a show or a premium channel subscription that includes a new Trek series in say 5 years we are talking about a new landscape where 500 cable channels only get more niche. Why not 2 or 3 science fiction channels on something like Google's cable-TV-like package.

With rumors in the TV industry that Apple is making a television type device with the intention of Internet subscription service akin to Netflix and Hulu Plus for 2012-2013 deployment. Actually one of the reasons Apple has for becoming a major player is Top-of-the-Line Pay TV Integration.
Although you have heard of this too:
If you’re looking for a real Netflix competitor, you’ll have to wait until later this year when Verizon and Redbox plan to debut their co-branded streaming service.
This is all good competition and this may all be bleeding-edge of technology now...but it may become mainstream by the time the next Trek TV series is ready for preproduction.
With major cable television providers like Comcast's Streampix $5./month service offering more on-demand programming on cable TV boxes as well as through an X-Box360 surely a subscription is easy to do for a season pass of a particular TV show that isn't even on a linear channel.

Sure in some foreign countries it will be on TV but there is no guarantee it will be on a linear TV channel here in the USA.

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Old February 23 2012, 08:51 PM   #97
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Re: Would it really matter if the next Trek series were on linear TV?

The TV biz is getting shook up by new developments that will break apart satellite and cable's grip on the business, that's for sure. But what any of this means for Star Trek is a very open question.

Just look at YouTube's lineup of pro channels to see the problem: it's all cheap stuff. Celebrity gossip, comedy, reality shows - very little scripted drama of any kind, and space opera is among the priciest of scripted dramas.

Internet video can out-compete traditional TV by providing more targetted niche content to audiences, and reaching audiences far easier. No more making country-by-country deals, now you can stream video to the world without the middlemen.

So what happens is that the audience for any one thing gets smaller (as the amount of content proliferates) but each of those niches can be multiplied by the size of the global audience for that niche. You could have an audience for some niche - say, dystopian space opera - that eclipses even the most mass-market current TV genre. The trick is, financing that content and then reaching that audience.

Add to that the still-weak state of the online ad business compared with the mature TV ad business - it's hard to make a living off online ad placement (as TrekBBS can attest). The better targetting ability of online ads is an advantage over TV, but the tsunami of crap is a disincentive. Ad buyers have a bad impression of online media and they don't want their products associated with crap. (Which is why YouTube is venturing into pro content to begin with.)

So it all adds up to a mixed picture, with some signs that are good for pricey scripted content (easily reached global audience even for a nichey product; advertisers hungry for respectable content) and some signs that are negative (most people won't pay for online content; online ads are a poor replacement for the robust TV ad market; and the sheer, confusing amount of internet video content).
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Old February 23 2012, 11:32 PM   #98
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Re: Would it really matter if the next Trek series were on linear TV?

another possible negative of having many competing services that you have to pay for, is they will all have different stuff, so, it's likely one service won't provide you with everything you want, so, even though the price for each streaming service may go down due to competition, your out of pocket may end up going up, because you have to get numerous streaming services
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Old February 24 2012, 12:01 AM   #99
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That is definitely a big problem, but it won't raise the amount people will pay because consumers will become confused, and a confused consumer is a non-consumer. People will simply just not opt for any of the services and the whole industry could stagnate.

This is the only way forward: one-stop shopping for every damn thing a person can reasonably think of, from Hollywood blockbusters to HBO miniseries to some obscure documentary to Bollywood musicals, etc. Not everything needs to be included, that's an absurd hurdle, but as long as people can find 99% of whatever they'd think of, that's effectively "everything." Sorting mechanisms can solve the problem of confusion and chaos in trying to zero in on what an individual wants, so that's not an issue.

What the industry cannot afford to happen is nonsense like Starz pulling Sony and Disney movies from Netflix streaming and making you pay for a different service. People don't go to the cineplex and have to worry what studio made the movie they want to see, so why should they worry about that when everything moves to streaming? Consumers get nasty when they perceive that they're getting a worse deal than what they used to get - Netflix can tell us all about that!

I can see why Starz did that, because they don't think Netflix is giving them a good enough deal, and Netflix doesn't want to anger their customers by raising prices for the stuff Starz controls (so they ended up angering them in a different way, hah!) All the jockeying for position is going to end up turning everyone into losers, both producers and consumers.

But YouTube's pro-channel plans are doing an end run around this, because from what I can tell, they're free and ad-supported. If nobody needs to pay for a service, then they can't get angry that the service isn't giving them everything.
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Old March 3 2012, 06:30 PM   #100
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Re: Would it really matter if the next Trek series were on linear TV?

a very interesting blog post about Networks/Advertisers and Google in the next 2 years.
relevant stuff:
So now we have two very distinct levels of commerce here: The Networks, that need high ratings to drive up ad costs and their price for syndication, and The Advertisers, who need high ratings for their commercials and need to make the right ad buys for their brands in order to increase the sales of their product. And right now, you only have one currency measurement: Nielsen.

But, times – they are a changin’. Enter everyone’s favorite game-changer: Google. Google’s business is run on revenue primarily from Ads. So, it should be assumed they want to grow more of that business. In order to do this, I presume they are going to need to measure everything the way that Nielsen does, and the way Facebook does, and service the consumer (and particularly their advertising clients) all at the same time.
And here is how they are doing it: Go to Google right now and click on their new privacy policy, which takes effect March 1, 2012.
Every one that uses a Google login for anything will be consolidated into one DNA fingerprint across the world.
Consider their incredible algorithm that changed the way we search and discover content as we know it. Now, link that all to your TV through Google TV.
Google appears to be quite brilliantly focusing their success in ad revenue growth on the ability to give advertisers what they have been longing for since the beginning of time: true insight into consumer behavior (psychographics, specifically), target-ability and scale of audiences – all in one place. Now that is the real threat to Nielsen.
And so far, Nielsen has been the only company that could find a way to get all of these clients to accept one piece of data as their trading currency. That in and of itself is remarkable, and whether that changes any time soon will remain to be seen. Until then, set your DVRs to record. You don’t want to miss the next two years in television.
The Networks and The Advertisers (And How Google is Crashing the Party) [part 2]

So by the time the next Trek series is to be greenlit the Nielsen ratings just may not be the main factor in the show getting distribution.
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Old March 3 2012, 07:54 PM   #101
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Re: Would it really matter if the next Trek series were on linear TV?

My opinion is that technology is turning everybody's life into a "show". That's what reality TV is all about, or pointing the webcam at yourself and video blogging, but there's also a LOT of indie producers out there, and it seems like everyone and his brother is slapping on a uniform and getting in front of a greenscreen and doing their OWN Trek show. So why do we have to be beholden to CBS/Paramount when we can just sift through everyone's amateur productions to find the good stuff?

You want to see more Trek? Make your own! That's what I'm doing, and I'm willing to share the tools and assets to anyone else who wants them. And I don't have to wring my hands over how the franchise is being bastardized by Rick Berman or JJ Abrams, because I get to do it just my way. You can't beat that.
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Old March 4 2012, 04:33 PM   #102
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t seems like everyone and his brother is slapping on a uniform and getting in front of a greenscreen and doing their OWN Trek show. So why do we have to be beholden to CBS/Paramount when we can just sift through everyone's amateur productions to find the good stuff?

You want to see more Trek? Make your own! That's what I'm doing,
mos6507 being that you are an ensign on TrekBBS and have only made 10 posts in 1 year perhaps you should consider the forum you are posting in. Only the Fan Productions forum is for making your own Trek. This forum discusses the serious issues for canon in the next TV series or feature film. This thread in particular deals with a nonlinear TV channel or subscription-based downloads of the next canon Trek TV series.

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we can just sift through everyone's amateur productions to find the good stuff?
You said it yourself amateur productions.
Only the people on the Fan Productions forum want to watch those. All of the other forums deal with canon and high production values that are associated with Star Trek since STI:TMP. If you really don't wish to answer the questions in the original post #1 or add to the canon discussion please do not post in this subforum.
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Old April 9 2012, 02:58 PM   #103
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5 years from now (2017)

The Next Web did an article on TV in 5 years.

he believes that “It’s still going to be storytelling… Television’s still going to look a lot like television five years from now.

“What do you care that your content’s coming from IP versus connecting it to a coaxial cable or having free-to-air satellite? That’s the beauty of this industry, that you don’t have to completely blow it up for it to be something new.”

Despite huge shifts, “TV’s still going to look a lot like TV five years from now”: Ooyala’s Bismarck Lepe

a great article title but not much substance. This will tell us that if a new Trek series is on in the next 5 years most likely it will be on cable or broadcast TV.
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Old April 10 2012, 08:26 PM   #104
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Nielsens are only one factor in TV right now. HBO and Showtime don't care about Nielsens because they have no advertisers to please. They do care about ratings as an indicator that a show can attract and retain subscribers and they care a lot more about a show's "buzz" (among critics and the general public) than broadcast networks do.

The changes to TV will be this:

A lot of what we know as "TV" won't change at all, or will change incrementally.

The new kids (Google, YouTube, Yahoo, Netflix, et al) will be different from traditional TV in being (generally) cheaper, nichier, far more abundant, and with more of an interactive element, ranging from minor (comments) to major (scripted dramas that merge with games at the extreme end of the spectrum.)

This will result in a huge range in quality, subject matter and form to sort through, so success depends heavily on people having access to powerful search tools.
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Old April 11 2012, 12:45 PM   #105
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Nielsens are only one factor in TV right now. HBO and Showtime don't care about Nielsens because they have no advertisers to please. They do care about ratings as an indicator that a show can attract and retain subscribers and they care a lot more about a show's "buzz" (among critics and the general public) than broadcast networks do.

The changes to TV will be this:

A lot of what we know as "TV" won't change at all, or will change incrementally.

The new kids (Google, YouTube, Yahoo, Netflix, et al) will be different from traditional TV in being (generally) cheaper, nichier, far more abundant, and with more of an interactive element, ranging from minor (comments) to major (scripted dramas that merge with games at the extreme end of the spectrum.)

This will result in a huge range in quality, subject matter and form to sort through, so success depends heavily on people having access to powerful search tools.
My biggest fears about the new kids is the fact that they region lock almost everything that is interesting. Take exemple the BSG webisodes, or SG:U Kino episodes: they are all region locked without European distribution. Now, I'm in a more stupid position, because I'm from Romania so: no iTunes TV Shows for me at all, no Netflix at all, no YouTube in some exclusive YouTube distribution channels so in the case that a new Trek series is coming out in new media, I have to wait for a potential blu-ray release, so I can order that from the states and hoping to be region free (The Ark of Truth comes in my mind" I waited for that one like hell, but guess what: there is no European blu-ray distribution, and the US version is Region locked, so no HD version of The Ark of Truth for me)... So I'm mixed with the whole new media thingy until I can see an effort to make global release possible somehow. i get it that licensing old stuff is hard, because of the distribution agreements of the past, but they should really focus in future distribution agreements that Internet isn't made up from the US and 15 EU countries, because you got 196 in the world (something that iTunes, Xbox marketplace, Netflix, Sony PSN and a lot of others don't get: there is money in the rest of the world too not just in the US, Japan, canada and about 15 EU countries ... ). I just hate that I have to make stupid cheats to get to my digital content legally and they say that piracy is high, but they are the ones that make piracy possible. They want to push ACTA through the European Parliament so that somebody downloads a movie to be considered a thief and eligible to punishment without state borders, but they don't want to offer me the legal possibility to download in the first place for some of the content legally by IP blocking ...
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