Why do people keep saying Voyager weakened the Borg? - Page 37

Guy Gardener · February 28 2012, 05:03 AM

What are reviews for?

I'd think that they're to inform us if a product is good or bad, if we don't already have a first opinion?

but we know Voyager.

So are we wanting to listen to someone we agree with, or someone we disagree with, because we know the product and we know the leanings of the reviewers, so it's all about generating predictable results with a replicatable method.

Gosh that sounds dirty.

teacake · February 28 2012, 05:19 AM

I don't like reviews because I can't talk back. Posting youtube comments is pointless, it's not the same as a thread on a forum.

exodus · February 29 2012, 02:17 AM

zar wrote:

exodus wrote:

I don't understand why fans think just because you post your opinions on Youtube, you suddenly become a credible and quotable source. sFdebris' opinions are no more credible than Snooki from Jersey Shore giving a review of Star Trek.

I don't understand why you think you can quantify quotability. If someone says something you like or agree with, and the quote is relevant to the present, then that person is quotable. Publishing your thoughts publicly, such as on Youtube, absolutely does make you quotable.

As for credibility, you were doing good until you mentioned Snooki. As I'm reasonably sure that sfdebris is more familiar with the material than her, it's definitely false that her opinions would be as credible.

sonak wrote:

Fair or not, fame as a respected reviewer translates to credibility.

So in other words;if I posted my opinions/reviews on Youtube, you'd kiss my ass and hold what I say in higher regards than others?

Good to know.
I think I'll change my screen name and post of Youtube from now on.

sonak wrote:

so I guess Roger Ebert's movie reviews are no more credible than Janet Smith's from Boise, Idaho, either.

Ebert earned his credibility to all in his business by having a degree in journalism. Ebert has first hand experience and insight because he actually learned his craft via the educational system. Someone that earned their career though proper education should mean something over someone that does it as a hobby.

zar · February 29 2012, 02:32 AM

exodus wrote:

So in other words;if I posted my opinions/reviews on Youtube, you'd kiss my ass and hold what I say in higher regards than others?

I will not kiss your ass, but I will indeed hold your opinion of Star Trek in higher regard than that of Snooki. You don't need to go to Youtube because you can already do a perfectly good job publishing your thoughts publicly here on TBBS.

Maybe you need to read my post again; you seem to have missed the point.

exodus · February 29 2012, 02:45 AM

zar wrote:

exodus wrote:

So in other words;if I posted my opinions/reviews on Youtube, you'd kiss my ass and hold what I say in higher regards than others?

I will not kiss your ass, but I will indeed hold your opinion of Star Trek in higher regard than that of Snooki. You don't need to go to Youtube because you can already do a perfectly good job publishing your thoughts publicly here on TBBS.

Maybe you need to read my post again; you seem to have missed the point.

I think the missing of points was mutual.

zar · February 29 2012, 02:59 AM

exodus wrote:

I think the missing of points was mutual.

Not really. Basically, you just repeated your original statement with disregard to the responses it received:

exodus wrote:

I don't understand why fans think just because you post your opinions on Youtube, you suddenly become a credible and quotable source.

and then...

exodus wrote:

So in other words;if I posted my opinions/reviews on Youtube, you'd kiss my ass and hold what I say in higher regards than others?

Not much growth there. Hard for us to miss your point when you don't bother to make one.

sonak · February 29 2012, 05:59 AM

exodus wrote:

zar wrote:

exodus wrote:

I don't understand why fans think just because you post your opinions on Youtube, you suddenly become a credible and quotable source. sFdebris' opinions are no more credible than Snooki from Jersey Shore giving a review of Star Trek.

I don't understand why you think you can quantify quotability. If someone says something you like or agree with, and the quote is relevant to the present, then that person is quotable. Publishing your thoughts publicly, such as on Youtube, absolutely does make you quotable.

As for credibility, you were doing good until you mentioned Snooki. As I'm reasonably sure that sfdebris is more familiar with the material than her, it's definitely false that her opinions would be as credible.

sonak wrote:

Fair or not, fame as a respected reviewer translates to credibility.

So in other words;if I posted my opinions/reviews on Youtube, you'd kiss my ass and hold what I say in higher regards than others?

Good to know.
I think I'll change my screen name and post of Youtube from now on.

sonak wrote:

so I guess Roger Ebert's movie reviews are no more credible than Janet Smith's from Boise, Idaho, either.

Ebert earned his credibility to all in his business by having a degree in journalism. Ebert has first hand experience and insight because he actually learned his craft via the educational system. Someone that earned their career though proper education should mean something over someone that does it as a hobby.

I'm not sure who you're arguing with here, but it's not with me. I never said that I "kiss Chuck's ass," just that he's a respected internet viewer with a respectable following. If you posted reviews that are as thoughtful and smart as his, and get the reputation that he has, I'd respect that, too. As it is, you just come off as jealous of the guy and his following.

As for Ebert's credentials, I'm pretty sure Chuck's a very well-educated guy, both formal and informal. I get that impression from his articulate reviews, and also, he refers to his level of education periodically. (He doesn't come out and say "I have a degree in theoretical physics from X university," but I'm reasonably sure he's as educated as Ebert, probably more so)

exodus · March 2 2012, 03:31 AM

sonak wrote:

I'm not sure who you're arguing with here, but it's not with me. I never said that I "kiss Chuck's ass," just that he's a respected internet viewer with a respectable following. If you posted reviews that are as thoughtful and smart as his, and get the reputation that he has, I'd respect that, too. As it is, you just come off as jealous of the guy and his following.

Is he getting paid like Rodger Ebert is?
Is he rubbing elbows with the celebs he reviews?
Then I don't see anything he's doing to be jealous of.

zar · March 2 2012, 03:42 AM

exodus wrote:

sonak wrote:

[...] the guy and his following.

[...] I don't see anything he's doing to be jealous of.

It's right there, in bold.

exodus · March 2 2012, 03:54 AM

zar wrote:

exodus wrote:

sonak wrote:

[...] the guy and his following.

[...] I don't see anything he's doing to be jealous of.

It's right there, in bold.

Nope, rather have the cash.
As I said, his following hasn't allowed him to rub elbows with the celebs he reviews or opened bigger doors into the entertainment industry.
There is nothing he has to be jealous of.

zar · March 2 2012, 04:02 AM

I'm sure you would. Nevertheless you still come off as jealous of a guy whose opinions are held in higher regard than your own.

exodus · March 2 2012, 04:14 AM

zar wrote:

I'm sure you would. Nevertheless you still come off as jealous of a guy whose opinions are held in higher regard than your own.

That makes no sense considering I've argued pro-critic with jouralism degrees who ALL have opinions held in higher regard than me.

zar · March 2 2012, 04:21 AM

^ I'm sorry, but these posts just reek of bitterness:

exodus wrote:

I don't understand why fans think just because you post your opinions on Youtube, you suddenly become a credible and quotable source. sFdebris' opinions are no more credible than Snooki from Jersey Shore giving a review of Star Trek.

exodus wrote:

So in other words;if I posted my opinions/reviews on Youtube, you'd kiss my ass and hold what I say in higher regards than others?

You haven't yet said anything to dissuade me from concluding you are simply envious of Chuck's respect.

exodus · March 2 2012, 04:34 AM

zar wrote:

^ I'm sorry, but these posts just reek of bitterness

So support of those that go thru the educational system to earn a credible degree in their career is being bitter?

You haven't yet said anything to dissuade me from concluding you are simply envious of Chuck's respect.

What, saying I'm not jealous isn't good enough for you?

zar · March 2 2012, 04:54 AM

I just noticed that your last three posts were completely wiped out and rewritten, even edited after I'd already replied to them. It's kind of hard to have a conversation with one so indecisive.

And no, saying "No I'm not" isn't convincing at all. Your posts about "kissing asses" and such are devoid of reasoning and indeed come off as envious venting.

February 28 2012, 05:03 AM	#541
Guy Gardener Admiral Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.	Re: Why do people keep saying Voyager weakened the Borg? What are reviews for? I'd think that they're to inform us if a product is good or bad, if we don't already have a first opinion? but we know Voyager. So are we wanting to listen to someone we agree with, or someone we disagree with, because we know the product and we know the leanings of the reviewers, so it's all about generating predictable results with a replicatable method. Gosh that sounds dirty. __________________ "Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft." Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz

February 28 2012, 05:19 AM	#542
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: Why do people keep saying Voyager weakened the Borg? I don't like reviews because I can't talk back. Posting youtube comments is pointless, it's not the same as a thread on a forum. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

March 2 2012, 04:02 AM	#551
zar Captain	Re: Why do people keep saying Voyager weakened the Borg? I'm sure you would. Nevertheless you still come off as jealous of a guy whose opinions are held in higher regard than your own.

March 2 2012, 04:54 AM	#555
zar Captain	Re: Why do people keep saying Voyager weakened the Borg? I just noticed that your last three posts were completely wiped out and rewritten, even edited after I'd already replied to them. It's kind of hard to have a conversation with one so indecisive. And no, saying "No I'm not" isn't convincing at all. Your posts about "kissing asses" and such are devoid of reasoning and indeed come off as envious venting.

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