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Old February 29 2012, 09:29 PM   #91
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I think it would have been more adventurous to cast an Asian man as Sherlock Holmes, and a white female as Watson....and have the "sexual tension" in that regards. (Especially since Asian men are usually seen as asexual, or computer nerds, etc...)

That would have been something different.

Lucy Liu has played this type of role before, so it's technically nothing new.

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Old February 29 2012, 10:04 PM   #92
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Then he killed off Holmes and brought him back with a dodgy explanation that William Shatner wouldn't have dared put into The Return.
Actually Holmes's death was quite easy to retcon, since it happened "offscreen." There were no witnesses and they never found a body. Doyle wanted to kill off Holmes for good, but he inadvertently chose the easiest possible kind of character death to undo.
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Old February 29 2012, 10:04 PM   #93
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^ And thus an entire template for black and white cliffhanger serials was created!
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Old February 29 2012, 10:58 PM   #94
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Lest we forget, Arthur Conan Doyle married Watson off, then moved him back into 221B Baker Street and conveniently failed to mention the Mrs again. Then he killed off Holmes and brought him back with a dodgy explanation that William Shatner wouldn't have dared put into The Return. Deviating from the canon didn't begin with Lucy Liu!
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Old March 1 2012, 01:03 AM   #95
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Re: Lucy Liu cast as Watson in CBS' Sherlock Holmes show

Zero interest here in watching Lucy Liu as Watson. And I say this as someone who has seen every single Basil Rathbone/Nigel Bruce Sherlock Holmes movie.


I have been giving serious thought to trying out the British show...but already this American version is losing my interest, and it hasn't even started production yet.
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Old March 1 2012, 01:35 AM   #96
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Zero interest here in watching Lucy Liu as Watson. And I say this as someone who has seen every single Basil Rathbone/Nigel Bruce Sherlock Holmes movie.
I find that ironic, given that Nigel Bruce's version was perhaps the most inauthentic portrayal of Watson ever, taking this brave, stalwart man of action who was intelligent enough to pull off a dual career as a doctor and a published author and reducing him to a bumbling imbecile. I think Ms. Liu is easily capable of playing a far more authentic Watson than Mr. Bruce ever did.
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Old March 1 2012, 02:43 AM   #97
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Zero interest here in watching Lucy Liu as Watson. And I say this as someone who has seen every single Basil Rathbone/Nigel Bruce Sherlock Holmes movie.
I find that ironic, given that Nigel Bruce's version was perhaps the most inauthentic portrayal of Watson ever, taking this brave, stalwart man of action who was intelligent enough to pull off a dual career as a doctor and a published author and reducing him to a bumbling imbecile. I think Ms. Liu is easily capable of playing a far more authentic Watson than Mr. Bruce ever did.

Who said anything about the classic film version being 'authentic'? In fact, I point out my love of them precisely because they ARE 'inauthentic'. And I liked them anyway! While this new inauthentic version (and yes, it is inauthentic), I have no interest in.

And sorry...but Lucy Liu playing a character that is written as a male is indeed 'inauthentic'. But I have a LOT less interest in seeing that than in seeing Nigel Bruce...who I quite enjoyed despite his inability to carry off a frakkin' mini-skirt....which I presume is the primary reason for making Watson into an attractive female.

Sad that every frakkin' thing is this country has to be about sex, to the point where the producers of the American version don't have confidence a show will succeed with the male demographic unless it contains beautiful women, short skirts and catsuits. Pity, if we are truly that shallow.

Oh...and by the way...Nigel Bruce happens to have been a fine actor. Just because the character was a 'bumbling imbecile' (who, by the way, fans LOVED) doesn't mean he was.
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Old March 1 2012, 03:27 AM   #98
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And sorry...but Lucy Liu playing a character that is written as a male is indeed 'inauthentic'.
But trivial. I'd say that Watson's intelligence, physical prowess, and competence are far more important to who the character is than the fact that he has a Y chromosome and can grow a moustache. The idea that there's some fundamental, insurmountable difference between characters "written as a male" and characters written as female is outdated, chauvinistic rubbish. There are differences, yes, but we now have tons of female characters in fiction who are more than capable in roles that were once considered exclusively suited for men, whether action hero or brilliant scientist or tough cop or hero's best platonic friend or President of the United States.


But I have a LOT less interest in seeing that than in seeing Nigel Bruce...who I quite enjoyed despite his inability to carry off a frakkin' mini-skirt....which I presume is the primary reason for making Watson into an attractive female.
Now, that's just sexist, assuming that the only relevant trait Lucy Liu has going for her is her looks.


Sad that every frakkin' thing is this country has to be about sex, to the point where the producers of the American version don't have confidence a show will succeed with the male demographic unless it contains beautiful women, short skirts and catsuits. Pity, if we are truly that shallow.
You're ignoring the fact that male actors are cast for their sex appeal too. Come on, look at the current Holmes movie series -- you think Jude Law wasn't cast for his looks? And here's the guy playing Holmes in this pilot, Jonny Lee Miller. I'm not much of a judge of male attractiveness, but he looks to me like someone women would find attractive.

Like I said, half of CBS's audience is female, so it's incredibly naive to think they're only interested in selling sex to heterosexual men. Women have always been a major target demographic for television, since women have traditionally been responsible for a lot of the purchasing decisions in a household. And so TV shows have always tried to make the male characters sexy as well as the female ones. Sure, Lt. Uhura and the yeomen wore miniskirts, but how often did Captain Kirk lose his shirt? And it was Spock who got the overwhelming majority of the fan mail from lovestruck female viewers.

So no, they didn't cast Lucy Liu solely to make male viewers horny. They no doubt cast her because they want the women who make up half their audience to have a strong female lead character they can relate to. Remember that Watson is the viewpoint character of the entire series -- not someone who's looked at from outside, but someone through whose eyes we see the adventures, the everyperson that we identify with. Making that character a woman helps attract women to the show, at least in theory.


Oh...and by the way...Nigel Bruce happens to have been a fine actor. Just because the character was a 'bumbling imbecile' (who, by the way, fans LOVED) doesn't mean he was.
Huh? I never said anything about the actor. I was just saying that the version of Watson he played is drastically revisionist, so if you liked that interpretation, it's a double standard to reject another revisionist interpretation out of hand.
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Old March 1 2012, 03:40 AM   #99
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People who have read the books are the exception.

The rest of the filth don't know why they know these characters because the identity of Holmes and Watson has been programmed into them form a hundred different directions inadvertently by a living zeitgeist the size of human conciousness.
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Old March 1 2012, 03:43 AM   #100
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I have been giving serious thought to trying out the British show...but already this American version is losing my interest, and it hasn't even started production yet.
Oh, you need to see Sherlock. It's brilliant. I've had a couple of friends who reacted with skepticism to the idea of a modern-day Holmes, but once they actually watched it, they realized just how cleverly Sherlock was executed.

I mean, I enjoyed the first Downey/Law movie (haven't see the sequel yet), but the modern show blows it away.
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Old March 1 2012, 04:01 AM   #101
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Barney on Ice blows away either Downey JR Holmes.

They're pomp and circumstance rubbish.
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Old March 1 2012, 04:15 AM   #102
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I like Sherlock Holmes and I'm willing to check it out, even if it's just for a laugh. It could actually be really good though if they treat the subject matter well enough. I wonder how they're going to explain the change in location though, or if they're just going to change his lineage altogether. At least they're trying something new. It might fail, and it might not, but at least they gave something a try.

Off-topic a bit, but has anyone ever written a story of Holmes in the old west? Would love to see that.
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Old March 1 2012, 04:47 AM   #103
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I wonder how they're going to explain the change in location though, or if they're just going to change his lineage altogether.
As stated in the article linked earlier, Holmes is still a Brit, a consultant for Scotland Yard who came to New York to enter drug rehab.


Off-topic a bit, but has anyone ever written a story of Holmes in the old west? Would love to see that.
Mark Twain did, although it's a satire:

"A Double Barrelled Detective Story" at Project Gutenberg
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Old March 1 2012, 06:04 AM   #104
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Well, there was Sherlock Holmes in Dallas (in which he investigated the JFK assassination), but I guess that's not quite the Old West!
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Ahh, thanks Christopher. Exactly what I wanted to know. And that story seems right up my alley.
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