The Walking Dead Season 2 Discussion *Spoilers*

[Dream]

Great episode. This was one of the best episodes of the season.

I loved the Rick and Shane beat down and the entire walker attack later on. This season has been lacking in terms of huge zombie attacks, but this episode didn't have that problem. I especially liked the part when the dead walkers began to pile up on a desperate Rick who was frantically trying to shoot them. Also I can't believe how dumb Shane was not taking the back door on the bus to escape until the very end, another reason why Rick is the better leader.

The Lori and Andrea verbal smack down was a long time coming. I thought Andrea leaving Beth alone was one of the stupidest things she has ever done. What kind of person does that to a suicidal teenager?! Many people who don't really intend to kill themselves end up accidentally doing it anyway because they screw up. If I had been Maggie, I would have tried to murder Andrea for what she let happen to my family member after telling me she would take over watching Beth.

Also poor Randall. Rick keeps changing his mind on whether to kill him or keep him around. Make up your mind already or just put a bullet through the kid's head!

[Immolatus]

sojourner wrote:

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The gun was blocking their ability to bite him. I doubt it was any kind of self preservation.

you could be right, it just looked like he pushed it out of the way as not to get shot

[Scout101]

Dream wrote:

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What kind of person does that to a suicidal teenager?! Many people who don't really intend to kill themselves end up accidentally doing it anyway because they screw up.

That part made perfect sense to me. Watching this girl was taking resources away, and if she was determined to kill herself, it was GOING to happen. No one can watch her 24/7, she'd find a free moment. This was just focring the issue, the 'shit or get off the pot' moment. Either she does it, and the group can stop wasting time and manpower, or she realizes she wants to live, and it's over.

Having been in a similar situation, she probably realized that it wasn't going to resolve itself until she really had the opportunity to DO it, and then she'd see whether she REALLY wanted to, or if she wanted to live...

[Jax]

While I hate the little whining Beth is it? Andrea leaving her alone proves her character is without redemption at this point. I really hope Shane gets bit n kills Andrea before Rick blows his head off I love how the writers keep coming up with inventive ways to kill the Walkers.

[Agent Richard07]

- It seemed wrong to reconsider killing the kid. Couldn't they have brought him in?

- Whenever they stab or shoot zombies at close range, I can't help but think that blood will splatter up and infect them or something. Even just having zombies on top of them breathing and drooling is worthy of concern.

- That squelching sound we hear every time a walker is stabbed, crushed or gutted... Not sure if it's too over the top or if it adds a B-movie feel to the zombie attack.

[Kosh Naranek]

Andrea has become a total bitch, and is not even entertaining to watch. Shane may be horrible (in my book), but he is entertaining as hell.

[sojourner]

I think the writers just have a hard time writing for the women characters in general. The whole part of the episode with "just the women" was a clusterfuck.

[Derishton]

Scout101 wrote:

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That part made perfect sense to me. Watching this girl was taking resources away, and if she was determined to kill herself, it was GOING to happen. No one can watch her 24/7, she'd find a free moment. This was just focring the issue, the 'shit or get off the pot' moment. Either she does it, and the group can stop wasting time and manpower, or she realizes she wants to live, and it's over.

Having been in a similar situation, she probably realized that it wasn't going to resolve itself until she really had the opportunity to DO it, and then she'd see whether she REALLY wanted to, or if she wanted to live...

I agree 100%. There've also been suicide moments in the books, both involving characters still around on the show, and I think the show is stealth-addressing those. The two are:

Carol and Maggie; the first is successful, and in a particularly dangerous way: she lets herself get bitten by a chained zombie. Obviously, this is particularly irresponsible, since it leads to the possibility that Carol ceases to be suicidal and instead becomes a carnivorous killing machine.

Given the latter, it makes perfect (if cold) sense to let someone off themselves in a relatively controlled manner ... if that's what they're going to do. There's no suicide prevention hotline anymore.

[Alpha Romeo]

sojourner wrote:

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I think the writers just have a hard time writing for the women characters in general. The whole part of the episode with "just the women" was a clusterfuck.

Trainwreck, cluster fuck. Your versions of these leaves much to be desired. I thought Lori conveyed her feelings well and andrea has been developed into a hard fighting machine as she is in the comics.

[Dream]

Scout101 wrote:

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That part made perfect sense to me. Watching this girl was taking resources away, and if she was determined to kill herself, it was GOING to happen. No one can watch her 24/7, she'd find a free moment. This was just focring the issue, the 'shit or get off the pot' moment. Either she does it, and the group can stop wasting time and manpower, or she realizes she wants to live, and it's over.

I hope you would think differently if it was someone from your family that wanted to commit suicide.

[MPH]

Im not sure why the writers on this series seem to be making most of the characters totally unlikeable, I wish some of them would get eaten by the Zombies.

[Dream]

MPH wrote:

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Im not sure why the writers on this series seem to be making most of the characters totally unlikeable, I wish some of them would get eaten by the Zombies.

If most of the characters were likeable, it would be a pretty boring show.

[Scout101]

Dream wrote:

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I hope you would think differently if it was someone from your family that wanted to commit suicide.

I hope you realize we're talking about surviving in a zombie-infested wasteland, and she's not considering suicide because her boyfriend broke up with her. Think we can discuss this just fine in the framework it's in without trying to add more drama and appealing to emotion to attempt to win an argument that's not even happening, thanks.

And since Andrea basically was in the same place herself at the end of Season 1, I'd think she's pretty well qualified to make a call on this one.

In this new reality, they can't afford to watch her forever, and there's no suicide watch to commit her to. If she WANTS to do it, it's GOING to happen. Andrea was just forcing the choice. Once she backed down from going through with it, that fixes the issue WAY faster than watching her for months and hoping the urge goes away, and nothing else goes wrong. The girl is now over it, and wants to live, and came to that on her own.

Sink or swim, i suppose.

[RJDiogenes]

sojourner wrote:

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I think the writers just have a hard time writing for the women characters in general. The whole part of the episode with "just the women" was a clusterfuck.

While it was embarrassing, it was also realistic. A sad number of people still think in those stereotypical terms-- I have relatives who have conversations like that all the time. And this series takes place in the South, where those old-time notions are even more prevalent.

[sojourner]

Alpha Romeo wrote:

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Trainwreck, cluster fuck. Your versions of these leaves much to be desired. I thought Lori conveyed her feelings well and andrea has been developed into a hard fighting machine as she is in the comics.

It was disjointed in that half the cast just seemed to blink out of existence.

I'll admit the Shane/Rick part of the episode was good, but the girls part? Not well constructed.