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Old February 22 2012, 05:51 PM   #46
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Re: The 12 Worst Star Trek: DS9 Episodes Ever

Q-Less is okay for a first season episode. If Wishes Were Horses is, too. In general the first season is so boring that it drove all but the die-hard Trek fans away.
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Old February 22 2012, 09:45 PM   #47
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I must admit, I can't completely hate Q-Less, because it gave us that great, great outtake between Avery Brooks and John DeLancie:

Brooks: Bring them back Q, now!
DeLancie: Or what, what? You'll ravish me?
*both actors grin as they realize what he just said.*
Delancie: *embarassed* No, no, it's not 'ravish,' I'm sorry...
Brooks: *puts hands on DeLancie's shoulders* I might.
*they start laughing, along with the rest of the cast/crew*

Seriously, look for it on YT! That alone makes this lackluster episode worthwhile.
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Old February 22 2012, 10:35 PM   #48
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Put me in the "Valiant sucks" category. Bad, bad writing and characterization. Nog was beyond stupid there, and so were the other "Dead Squad" members. I agree--I wanted to punch them all in the face. And I would've liked a smart military member in there rather than Jake, because the message really came off as "civilian smart, military dumb."

God, I would've loved to see Kira kick their asses into shape.
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Old February 25 2012, 03:22 PM   #49
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^ Agreed on all points.

Here's my bottom 12 from "best" to worst....

12.) If Wishes Were Horses
11.) The Storyteller
10.) The Muse
9.) Second Sight
8.) Paradise
7.) Family Business
6.) Valiant
5.) Move Along Home
4.) Meridian
3.) Bar Association
2.) Profit and Lace
1.) Let He Who Is Without Sin...
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Old February 26 2012, 03:47 PM   #50
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I rather like both "paradise" and "bar association."
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Old February 27 2012, 05:24 PM   #51
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The Finale, especially the second part.

1. "Oh yes I understand now. You are all good guys. I will order the Jem'Hadar to disarm immediately and surrender to be judged for my war crimes."

2. "Dukat, you are a meanie! Stop playing with fire or I'll confiscate the book!" Big fight then "AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!"

3. "Kasidy, I have responsibilities in the Wormhole. The Prophets need me. Don't tell the baby in your oven that I'm a deadbeat dad and be nice with Jake. I'll be back one of these days."

4. "Kira, I have responsibilities in the Link. The Founders need me. I know you need me too but frankly, after all those years stuck in that monstrosity of a station, I want to take a long break. Ta ta!"

5. "Well now I know how far those spots go, and I promise not to tell Miles, even if I'm pretty sure Worf told Martok already."

And so many other irritating ways to tell us that DS9 ended once and for all. Thank heaven for fanfic!
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Old February 27 2012, 06:40 PM   #52
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The Finale, especially the second part.

1. "Oh yes I understand now. You are all good guys. I will order the Jem'Hadar to disarm immediately and surrender to be judged for my war crimes."

2. "Dukat, you are a meanie! Stop playing with fire or I'll confiscate the book!" Big fight then "AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!"

3. "Kasidy, I have responsibilities in the Wormhole. The Prophets need me. Don't tell the baby in your oven that I'm a deadbeat dad and be nice with Jake. I'll be back one of these days."

4. "Kira, I have responsibilities in the Link. The Founders need me. I know you need me too but frankly, after all those years stuck in that monstrosity of a station, I want to take a long break. Ta ta!"

5. "Well now I know how far those spots go, and I promise not to tell Miles, even if I'm pretty sure Worf told Martok already."

And so many other irritating ways to tell us that DS9 ended once and for all. Thank heaven for fanfic!
While I don't agree that the finale is among the worst of the series, I do have issues with it:

1. Sisko has an epiphany/vision (off screen) telling him that he must go to the fire caves. Next scene, Sisko confronts Dukat in the fire caves. Despite demonstration of immense power, Dukat is defeated by .. being tackled. All in a matter of minutes. It seemed so rushed and shoehorned in. Not to mention anticlimactic after being built up all season.

2. Sisko the prophet visits Kasidy in a vision, but not Jake?

Other than that though, I had no qualms with the finale.
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Old February 28 2012, 05:17 AM   #53
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The finale wasn't bad plot-wise. Production-wise, however, I believe it could've been done better, which would've lessened or eliminated most of the problems.
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Old March 29 2012, 04:40 AM   #54
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I loved The Muse! But forget the plot, that crazy lady and pretty much everything else--I just love Jake Sisko and it's great when he has his own episode.

I don't really have a problem with the rest of the list, except I don't remember Melora being that bad.
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Old March 29 2012, 07:24 AM   #55
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"Bar Association" is one of my favorite episodes!
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Old March 30 2012, 02:01 AM   #56
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"Bar Association" is one of my favorite episodes!
Mine too! I liked the ending with Rom making the smart choice and breaking away from Quark.

Also, it gave a glimpse into Ferengi culture. Despite Quark's mini-speeches to the contrary, Ferengis were not above using violence to preserve their way of life. They sent goons to rough him up just to preserve their accepted way to do business and convince him to do things the "Ferengi Way"
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Old March 30 2012, 08:18 AM   #57
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Here are 12 episodes that come to mind as ones I don't particularly like not necessarily in order:

1. Profit and Lace
2. Valient
3. The Muse
4. Who Mourns for Morn (I just didn't think this episode was necessary)
5. Fascination
6. Meridian
7. Melora
8. Let He Who Is Without Sin (Even though it's kind of a guilty pleasure)
9. A Man Alone (Odo had a weird voice in this episode)
10. The Passenger
11. Prodigal Daughter
12. Profit and Loss
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Old March 30 2012, 08:28 AM   #58
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To me, the worst episodes seem to focus on Ferengi or Bajoran spirituality.
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Old March 30 2012, 10:30 AM   #59
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Even the worst DS episodes had some saving graces (usually acting, or A or B story), and never as bad as worst TNG ones. I'm pretty meh on Valiant as well, Covenant to Emperors Cloak 4-ep arc in S7. And don't think The Ascent is all that great. Rarely rewatch S1 & 2 so hard to judge. But like Melora for some reason. And The Muse, Bar Assocation, even Profit & Lace! What does send me to sleep is anything with Bareil in, and the whole ludicrous Dukat-Winn subplot in S7. What a waste...
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Old March 30 2012, 06:19 PM   #60
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Here are 12 episodes that come to mind as ones I don't particularly like not necessarily in order:

1. Profit and Lace
People get so bent out of shape over this one. Sure, it's not the greatest episode ever, but I think people dog-pile on it too much myself.

4. Who Mourns for Morn (I just didn't think this episode was necessary)
Trials & Tribble-ations wasn't necessary either, but that didn't make it a bad episode. I thought "Who Mourns for Morn" was a great romp.


5. Fascination
Again - I don't get why people don't like this. It was a (sort of) clumsy attempt at "Star Trek does Midsummer Night's Dream"... which I thought was fun.

8. Let He Who Is Without Sin (Even though it's kind of a guilty pleasure)
I just watched this one the other day for the first time in years. It boggles my mind that Worf basically joins these terrorists and then just walks away as if nothing happened. And the rest of the characters let him! Ugh, the logic just wasn't there in that one. Quark had some good lines though.


9. A Man Alone (Odo had a weird voice in this episode)
Forgive me, but don't you think that's kind of a dumb reason to list it as one of the "worst" episodes ever? Bearing in mind, too, that it was the second episode shot (but the third that aired)?
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