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Old February 25 2012, 05:15 AM   #76
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

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I think giving Holodoc an assistant added to realism, and having him work virtually solo in the later part of the series was kind of silly.
On a potentially 70-year return journey, training up as a nurse the one character with only seven years left on their lifespan was DUMB.
Ha true, but to be fair, there was never ANY feeling on Voyager that the crew thought they were gonna be on the ship for more than a week.
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Old February 25 2012, 05:26 AM   #77
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

Someone should really have had a breakdown around the 5th year, someone with a lot left behind.
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Old February 25 2012, 05:32 AM   #78
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

I think they should have stayed in the Void seen in "Night" for a few episodes and sh*t shoulda really hit the fan. It was Brannon's chance to turn the show into what he wanted...but according to Moore, he lost all the ambition he had for carving a great show out of Voyager. Maybe the network wore him down or maybe he just lost interest, I don't know.
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Old February 25 2012, 05:33 AM   #79
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

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It implies that... they were all conveniently killed at the same time.
That's exactly what happened.
That's no different from saying all the engineering staff died or that everyone in the science department died. They really had to make it so that every single medical officer aboard the Voyager had to die no matter where they were on the ship.

well to be fair, of a crew of 150 on what was supposed to be a short-term mission, they probably didn't have that many. It might have been the smallest department.
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Old February 25 2012, 05:34 AM   #80
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While this is true Trek itself is pretty sexless. .
Come again? Remember TOS? It may seem tame by modern standards, but they were definitely going for sex appeal from day one. Heck, the very first pilot, "The Cage," is essentially about a rugged human astronaut whose alien captors are trying their darndest to get him to mate with a curvy female specimen . . . and who eventually offer him his choice of females from the crew.

And how often did Shatner end up shirtless on the original show? And how short were the yeomens' skirts? Nope, no sex symbols here.

As an older, wiser mentor told me years ago, when I was just starting out : "There's a place for hormones in this business."
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Old February 25 2012, 05:39 AM   #81
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

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While this is true Trek itself is pretty sexless. .
Come again? Remember TOS? It may seem tame by modern standards, but they were definitely going for sex appeal from day one. "
But the same can't be said about the series that followed. Even ENT with it's decon chamber and neuro pressure isn't sexy the way, say, River Song is with the Doctor. And that's also a family show. ENT made a feeble effort at being sexy but the other shows it's all down to subtext. Even TOS.. where is the sexual tension other than in subtext land?
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Old February 25 2012, 05:55 AM   #82
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While this is true Trek itself is pretty sexless. .
Come again? Remember TOS? It may seem tame by modern standards, but they were definitely going for sex appeal from day one. "
But the same can't be said about the series that followed. Even ENT with it's decon chamber and neuro pressure isn't sexy the way, say, River Song is with the Doctor. And that's also a family show. ENT made a feeble effort at being sexy but the other shows it's all down to subtext. Even TOS.. where is the sexual tension other than in subtext land?
Aside from Kirk romancing a beautiful female guest-star every third episode? And all those skimpy costumes?

"What is this thing you call kissing, Earthman?"

Granted, there were no romantic subplots between regulars. Back in those days, that's what guest-stars were for . . . .
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Old February 25 2012, 06:05 AM   #83
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

They were pushing Chapel and Spock together for a few episodes in the beginning I thought int he beginning?

Ironically...

TOS doesn't fuck around.

Every woman on that show is for kirk to bang and the audience to eyefuck.

(With their eyes, not in her eyes, you sick puppy.)

Women were objectified.

To the bone.

because TOS happened a long time ago it's tolerable.

It gets a pass.

More than tolerable.

(Ask the cast of Mad Men.)

It's a loophole.

now.

In modern days.

1. Women are people.

2. Women have feelings.

3. Actresses are artists.

4. Actresses are not called actresses any more, they're called actors.

5. Women might be sexual beings, but they're not sexual beings for you, so keep your pants on.

Personally.

I think the gender in question has painted themselves into a corner because if beautiful women demand to be treated like ugly men, then they're going to be treated like ugly men, and that's no fun for anyone.
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Old February 25 2012, 06:07 AM   #84
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That's exactly what happened.
That's no different from saying all the engineering staff died or that everyone in the science department died. They really had to make it so that every single medical officer aboard the Voyager had to die no matter where they were on the ship.

well to be fair, of a crew of 150 on what was supposed to be a short-term mission, they probably didn't have that many. It might have been the smallest department.
The ship's medical department was severely understaffed. You'd think there'd be at least three doctors onboard (one for each of the presumed three daily shifts).
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Old February 26 2012, 12:40 AM   #85
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Someone should really have had a breakdown around the 5th year, someone with a lot left behind.

Actually, I would argue that everyone had a breakdown in the 5th year.

Janeway in "Night".


Seven in "Drone", "Infinite regress" and "Dark Frontier".

B'Elanna in "Extreme Risk", and "Nothing Human" and "Juggernaut".

Chakotay in "The Fight".

Kim in "Timeless" and "The Disease".

Tuvok in "Gravity"... if you consider that a "breakdown".

Neelix in "Once upon a Time".

The EMH already had HIS meltdown in season 4's "Latent Image", so he was spared the season 5 "dark night of the soul" that his organic counterparts went through.

The one that I liked the most, as you might guess... was the breakdown between Janeway and Torres. TPTB really tore those two apart and didn't "really" let them get back together until early season 6's "Barge of the Dead".

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Old February 26 2012, 05:50 AM   #86
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

Oh god, you can't resist pulling that clip out all the time can you...is that like your porn?
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Old February 26 2012, 06:05 AM   #87
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Did someone say porn?

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Old February 26 2012, 09:31 PM   #88
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It was a stupid mistake to dump Kes.
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Old February 26 2012, 11:45 PM   #89
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Oh god, you can't resist pulling that clip out all the time can you...is that like your porn?

Why yes... yes it is.

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It was a stupid mistake to dump Kes.
Yes... yes it was.
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Old February 26 2012, 11:53 PM   #90
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I'll see your J/7 Fantasy... and raise you another SazzyAgain uber video. (Is Sazzy like the video version of Spalko???)

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