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Old February 20 2012, 05:02 AM   #1096
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The planet in 30 days was phenomenal. It's been a long time on Trek since we've seen something so unique.
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Old February 20 2012, 11:59 AM   #1097
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Though he never ever again mentioned how much he loved sailing ever again.
Watched Course Oblivion again recently and sure someone mentions windsailing (surfing?) in there vis-a-vis the honeymoon? Shocking the useless detritus the mind memorises (even if incorrectly )

Oh, and my ten cents: it does get significantly better as a series. But we all know that.
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Old February 20 2012, 12:22 PM   #1098
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I'm glad he never sailed again, otherwise we would have had horrible pirate themed holodeck stories. I don't want to hear Tommy say "Ahoy", not ever.
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Old February 20 2012, 12:51 PM   #1099
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Tom "Yo Hoho, and a bottle of Rum!"

Harry "What's Rum?"

Tom "Well, now I really have to show you."
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Old February 20 2012, 06:47 PM   #1100
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The planet in 30 days was phenomenal. It's been a long time on Trek since we've seen something so unique.
I forgot to mention that in my mini-review, but I agree that the water planet really was stunning. Kudos to the visual effects artists!
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Old February 21 2012, 02:27 AM   #1101
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How could they have a water planet and not include the water hungry Kazon, or at the very least, a throw away line from Neelix, considering water to him used to more valuable than latinum to a Ferengi.
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Old February 21 2012, 02:32 AM   #1102
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How could they have a water planet and not include the water hungry Kazon, or at the very least, a throw away line from Neelix, considering water to him used to more valuable than latinum to a Ferengi.
Good point. A couple references to events from previous seasons would have been nice.

With that said, I do recall a conversation between Janeway and Kashyk in Counterpoint where Janeway mentions that crewmen Suder was killed by the Kazon. It may have just been one or two lines, but it was great because it was an acknowledgement of something important that happened earlier in the show. And it doesn't hurt that it was a reference to one of my all time favorite Trek episodes, Basics.
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Old February 21 2012, 03:29 AM   #1103
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That's what I never got about Suder, if he was a full telepath, first he would have been impressively valuable to the mission and second he would have laughed at the Vulcan's touch-telepathy-information-dump when he should have been capable of a much more "selective" inspection of his crewmates memories...

I assumed Suder was a gimp.

Something had deprived the poor bastard of his telepathy which is what created his antisocial, homicidal and terroristical behaviour.

I've watched enough Criminal Minds to figure out that telepathic dysfunction can easily be substituted for Sexual Dysfunction, and all the murderous extents these people are willing to go to replicate the "highs" from a healthy sexlife they're incapable of doing so vanillaly.

Maybe Suder did something wrong on Betazed and he was lobotomized?

Oh.

Suder's defence "i didn't like the way that guy was looking at me" for murder is a much more intense defenceif he had also included the conditioner "I didn't like what he was thinking while he was looking at me"
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Old February 21 2012, 03:38 AM   #1104
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Hey Admiral, you should do a season 4 retrospective thread!
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Old February 21 2012, 03:52 AM   #1105
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Hey Admiral, you should do a season 4 retrospective thread!
Thanks for the reminder! I will make one shortly.
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Old February 21 2012, 06:03 AM   #1106
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That's what I never got about Suder, if he was a full telepath, first he would have been impressively valuable to the mission and second he would have laughed at the Vulcan's touch-telepathy-information-dump when he should have been capable of a much more "selective" inspection of his crewmates memories...

I assumed Suder was a gimp.
He was a gimp. He was explicitly referred to as such when we were introduced to him. For whatever reason, he did not have the telepathic/empathic abilities of the rest of his species, and this may have either contributed to or may have been the reason why he was such a psychopath. In fact, that's one of the reasons Tuvok did a mind meld with him. To his credit, the mind melds really did help him out.

Lt. Stadi would have been helpful to the mission had she not gotten herself killed in Caretaker. She was a Betazoid, too.
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Old February 21 2012, 06:18 AM   #1107
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I so wanted to see how her sex drive would triple with middleage.

Considering how Dee's "abilities" worked for Picard the Diplomat, imagine how Stadi's "abilities" would help Voyager avoid torpedo vollies and continuous phaser fire for Janeway the anthill kicker if she was inside the minds of the crew trying to destroy her that she could know where they are going to shoot before they press their buttons, or make them think she is exactly where she isn't...
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Old February 22 2012, 01:59 AM   #1108
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I thought the moral dilemma was rather trite and artificial myself.

We all know the Naz...excuse me, I mean the Cardassians...did horrible things to the Je...Ga...Pol...Bajorans, but how does it honor the sacrifice of those who were killed to simply discard any medical advances that may have been discovered, advances which could save who knows how many people? Just because a discovery was made through unethical means doesn't mean that putting that discovery into practice is unethical. The problem is the means, not the ends.
That happens after decades of time has passed.
The Federation doesn't know the Nazi' or what they did during WWII. That's something in history books that happened centuries ago to them. What happened between the Cardassians and Bajoriens just ended a few years ago. All those graves of those people that were experimented on in the name of science are still fresh. The young Bajorian children that had to witness all that are only in there late 20's early 30's. For them, all that Mossett did just happened like it was yesterday. By the time Voyager left DS9, the Cardassains had only been gone from Bajor 4 years ago maybe. It makes prefect sense that such a dilemma is brand new for them.
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Old February 22 2012, 02:22 AM   #1109
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Yes but Tom broke HER rules. Janeway just breaks far away starfleet rules (and gives her crew opportunities to object and have it noted). You can't have complete insubordination. I suspect he would have been more harshly treated back in the Alpha quadrant but it would be bad for crew morale to do so.
I say screw Janeway and her ridiculous rules. I applaud Tom for showing courage and trying to do what he believed was right. He handled the situation extremely well. I would have acted no differently.
I supposed the Caretaker felt that way before his tampering with a biosphere destroyed an enter ecosystem.
The person that represented the entire body of that civilization told Janeway and Tom "No". Tom listens to the guy that had the representation of nobody.
That government could see such a thing as an act of terrorism. Tom would have gotten everyone on Voyager executed.
If Janeway breaks a rule of government, sh would ask that only she be blamed and negotiate her crew be released. Tom as a crewman has no such barginning chip. His actions doom everyone.
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Old February 22 2012, 02:32 AM   #1110
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Hi folks.

I just recently began watching Voyager on Netflix. So far I am 13 episodes into the show (14 if you count Caretaker as 2 episodes), and while I am enjoying the show and I like the cast, there hasn't been a single episode that has really, really stood out from the rest. Episodes have ranged from below average (Emanations, Cathexis), to average (Caretaker, Heroes and Demons), to slightly above average (Parallax, Prime Factors, State of Flux). The best episode so far has been Eye of the Needle with the Romulan scientist. While it was a very good episode, it's still nowhere near as good as some of the first season episodes from TNG (Datalore, The Neutral Zone) and DS9 (Duet, In the Hands of the Prophets). So, without spoiling anything, can you folks tell me if Voyager is going to significantly improve? Don't get me wrong, I am enjoying this show quite a bit, but I just don't feel like the writers have taken too many risks. There haven't been any standout episodes so far, and that makes me a little worried. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with me, and remember: NO SPOILERS!
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