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Old February 18 2012, 04:00 PM   #31
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Re: The 12 Worst Star Trek: DS9 Episodes Ever

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I disagree with "Move Along Home" being the worst. Sure, it's silly as hell, but I still laugh at it's sillyness.
I agree, I never had a problem with Move Along Home. Its not great, but I enjoy it well enough. especially for the Quark and Odo moments.
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Old February 19 2012, 01:15 AM   #32
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It's been a couple of years since I've seen DS9 now, but I can only think of three really bad episodes

1) Melora
2) The Muse
3) Profit and Lace

The rest of the episodes are watchable (and of course enjoyable, some more than others though , but these three are absolutely horrible and should never have been made )
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Old February 19 2012, 05:08 PM   #33
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Ah yes, Melora was quite bad. I don't know why it doesn't stick in my mind as a stinker as strongly as The Muse does.
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Old February 20 2012, 08:45 AM   #34
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It's one of the episodes where I almost fell asleep :P, and constantly looked at the time wishing it would hurry up already. Not a good sign
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Old February 20 2012, 01:46 PM   #35
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The only episode I consistently list as bad is The Muse, all others I enjoy to one degree or another but The Muse I skip most of the time when watching the series.
I agree. It's boring as hell.

Both Move Along Home and The Storyteller had a quirky TOS-like quality, IMO.
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Old February 21 2012, 04:17 AM   #36
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[Both Move Along Home and The Storyteller had a quirky TOS-like quality, IMO.
I downright like The Storyteller, its chalk full of Miles and Julian, everything else aside that right there is enough for it to be a decent episode of DS9.
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Old February 21 2012, 06:43 AM   #37
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I haven't watched DS9 since it's original run (even though it's my favorite Trek of all the series) and don't know episode titles, but the Vanessa Williams Risa one was pretty awful.
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Old February 21 2012, 07:02 AM   #38
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I don't get the problems folks have with "Move Along Home"-perhaps someone who really dislikes it can explain why to me?

it strikes as pointless but fun-nothing great, but nothing terrible
I agree with you...it seems some people missed the main point of the episode: it really WAS just a game. Just a light, fluffy, silly thing for fun.

It will always be a sentimental favorite. Not because it's "good," but because it didn't take itself too seriously, and it was fun and a bit surreal.
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Old February 21 2012, 10:29 AM   #39
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It's been a couple of years since I've seen DS9 now, but I can only think of three really bad episodes

1) Melora
2) The Muse
3) Profit and Lace

The rest of the episodes are watchable (and of course enjoyable, some more than others though , but these three are absolutely horrible and should never have been made )
Just thought of another bad episode!
* "Let He Who Is Without Sin

So that makes it four really bad episodes
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Old February 21 2012, 04:48 PM   #40
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I haven't watched DS9 since it's original run (even though it's my favorite Trek of all the series) and don't know episode titles, but the Vanessa Williams Risa one was pretty awful.
Heh, yea, watched that one last night
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Old February 22 2012, 12:30 AM   #41
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I must put myself in the "I don't think Move Along Home is so bad" camp; I like what Nerys Ghemor said about the episode not taking itself too seriously. Which is, in some ways, what Sisko et al. do vis à vis first contact with the Wadi. Sisko is openly disparaging (well, openly with certain people at least) of the Wadi's thing for games, and then is unhappy when he is "honored" (presumably in the Wadi's eyes) by getting to participate in one. Yeah, I know I'm oversimplifying, but I think the episode does make a good comment about "what's childish to your culture may be sacred to another's."

I also admit that I don't quite get the dislike for Meridian, other than it just not being a stellar episode. It's not embarrassing, like some things that TNG put out (*cough* Code of Honor *cough*), nor does it make me actively dislike it. It just doesn't really attract me. So I guess that makes it one of my "least favorite" DS9 episodes, but not one of the "worst."

The Muse. Okay, this one I will grant. This may be the DS9 that I have waited the longest to rewatch; I remember being reeeeeeaaaally turned off by Onaya (or whatever her name was).

The Storyteller is an episode that, if you're in the wrong mood, can be kinda offensive in my opinion. The way the Bajoran villagers being made to look pretty ridiculous sticks out to me. But on showing this episode to my girlfriend (who has very little prior Star Trek experience), she rather liked it, noting all the elements of farce therein, and how poor O'Brien is just not cut out for this at all. (And the village is in the middle of nowhere, and there are rather incredible elements at play, so I suppose you can explain away the villagers' depictions.) And I do love the Noh-Jay Consortium storyline.

I've never had a problem with Profit and Lace; I think it has some really nice Quark-Ishka moments, and it does have a few good comments about how we construct gender (Rom showing Quark how to walk, for example). But I've heard some convincing arguments about how the episode is rather inappropriate with regards to transgender issues. And I can definitely see where they're coming from.

Melora... yeah; as someone who is close to people with disabilities, I find this episode problematic in several ways. (Honestly, not the least of which is plausibility: I find it very hard to believe that the Federation cannot come up with a better physical support system for Melora.) But I also dislike Melora as a character. Having a disability does not give you the right to be rude to your colleagues or your commanding officer. This episode does have great zero-G scenes, but that is it for me.

I disagree with the OP's assessment of Fascination. I think it's a lot of fun and is very well executed. So many great moments in that episode (Dax freaking out Sisko, Jake going nuts over Kira [and Ben's reaction to that], Bareil being so out-of-character, O'Brien's tender apology to his wife).

I love If Wishes Were Horses. I think it's an excellent science fiction story that is well executed with lots of great moments. I love the ending: "No shockwaves, Major." And the shockwaves cease. I love Sisko's conversations with Buck Bokai. And, of course, this is the origin of the all-important baseball on Sisko's desk. (I also love "Take Me Out to the Holosuite," though I could understand someone not caring for it.)

Hmm, I didn't mean for this post to be exhaustive, but while I'm at it, "Let He Who Is Without Sin..." always struck me as poorly-executed. I understand that they wanted to show a lot more sex, but couldn't because of what time of day the episode would air in most markets (5 PM); I think that would've helped, though not saved, the episode. On the other hand, we do actually finally get a plausible (if a bit too simple) explanation for why Worf is always so damned restrained.
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Old February 22 2012, 10:35 AM   #42
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Wow. These are pretty much all the episodes that I skipped when I was showing DS9 to my wife.
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Old February 22 2012, 12:48 PM   #43
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Can't remember the name, but there was one episode where the DS9 crew played baseball with a group of Vulcans. Now THAT was bad...
And I haven't taken the time to compile a worst list yet, but I do agree with a couple on your list. I don't think Move Along Home is as bad as most people say, though. It's just a fun little romp that's neither good nor bad IMO.
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Take Me Out To The Holosuite? I love that episode!
Haha, I have a soft spot for this episode. Granted, it ran with the trek-notion that our logical/emotionless Vulcans actually are as arrogant, spiteful and petty as Dudley Dursley from the Potter series. But, I enjoyed it ... especially when Sisko gets pissed and kicks Rom off the team hahaha
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Old February 22 2012, 12:52 PM   #44
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Also, to the 12 spot, Valiant doesn't deserve that spot on the list-- even with it's problems, it is a high-ranking episode on the performance and tension between Nog and Jake alone (great acting/story there). The rest of the list is pretty fair.
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Old February 22 2012, 05:34 PM   #45
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I so disagree with you. The entire premise of Valiant is wrong.
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