Does It Get Better???

[AdmiralScreed]

Endgame? No clue what that is, and I would like to keep it that way.

[DonIago]

tighr wrote:

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Spoilers, dude. Spoilers.

Yeah, sorry if that counts. I considered using spoiler tags only to realize I had absolutely no idea how to implement them (seriously, I've never used them before), so I settled for wording it as vaguely as I thought I could.

[You_Will_Fail]

AdmiralScreed wrote:

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Endgame? No clue what that is, and I would like to keep it that way.

LOL, I think a lot of the Voyager fans here wish that was the case for them too

Guy Gardener wrote:

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Imagine an episode where it's just 40 minutes of Kes and Seven taking turns brushing each others hair, and half one though Kes says to Seven "Do you miss Harry?" To which she replies "Who's Harry?"

LOL, that woulda been worth buying the boxset for alone.
I definitely think a relationship between Kes and Seven would have been really interesting for both characters.

Talking of wasted potential, imagine how interesting "Infinite Regress" would have been if Seven had been posessed by actual, sentient beings from the vinculum. We're talking people's personalities preserved in this thing despite the fact their drone bodies had been destroyed. That's some interesting sci-fi, kind of like "Masks" but hopefully not as incomprehensibly shit.

[Guy Gardener]

AdmiralScreed wrote:

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I suppose you're right. It would still have to have been tweaked some, but you're right that they probably could have still made it work.

Could have made it work?

The scripts are interchangable 99 percent of the time.

You know except when the say Borg, or Klingon, but most of the Borg Stuff is identical to the Klingon stuff anyway, it's all about pride, fear and secrets.

Putting Kes as the lead in Timless would have been interesting if the writers had the tact to contrast and compare with Before and After.

"Whoah. What's going on here? This is not the future? This is wrong, this is not supposed to happen this way. I have to put things right."

Which starts a Cross-Time Kes-War.

[AdmiralScreed]

I don't know, the more I think about it the more I think that Harry was the best choice for the role. Seeing Harry grown up and mature in the future made for some interesting development. How different of a person would Kes have been 15 years later? Actually, to answer my own question she probably would have been dead because of the short Ocampan life spans.

[AdmiralScreed]

You_Will_Fail wrote:

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LOL, I think a lot of the Voyager fans here wish that was the case for them too

I don't know, with my track record I might end up loving Endgame.

We'll have to wait and see.

[You_Will_Fail]

LOL I don't think Kes would have worked in Timeless, but she sure as hell would have had more interesting episodes than Harry got. As Kenneth Biller said in the extras for season 4, he regretted seeing Kes go because a lot of great potential sci-fi concept episodes went with her.

[teacake]

I am so utterly bored by Kes. I cannot see the appeal. Sometimes she reminds me a bit of Troi too with all that breathy sweetness, the advice giving. I was very happy when she left.

[Guy Gardener]

Well lets go through all of season four, and list all the "Harry" episodes, and of all those "Harry" episodes, how many of them could Kes have subbed in for without any friction?

UM...

Demon?

That's it.

They fgure out that he's the most popular actor on the cast, destroy a little blond girls sense of well being and then they only award him 1 out of 26 episodes to showcase his amazing celebrity?

Thinking harder, I don't think Demon was really a singularly Harry Episode.

He gets 3 episodes in season 5, Nothing in season 6 and 1 episode in season 7.

It's almost like Berman resented writing for him.

[teacake]

I would have rather they wrote Harry eps than Tom eps. But they would have to give him some kind of personality other than Tom's sidekick for that.

[tighr]

Guy Gardener wrote:

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Putting Kes as the lead in Timless would have been interesting if the writers had the tact to contrast and compare with Before and After.

Y'all misunderstood me.

I meant, even if Harry Kim had been cut from the show, that didn't preclude them from bringing Garrett Wang back 2 seasons later to film Timeless. My post had nothing to do with Kes.

My "hint, hint" was in reference to Fury.

[teacake]

If they had cut Harry and then brought him back for Timeless everyone would have been.. omg Harry is great, why did they get rid of him?!

[tighr]

teacake wrote:

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If they had cut Harry and then brought him back for Timeless everyone would have been.. omg Harry is great, why did they get rid of him?!

And that's bad?

Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl with the Baltimore Ravens, no one is going to be voting for him in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

[teacake]

I didn't say it was bad, just speculating on what we'd be posting if Harry was axed and came back for Timeless.

[You_Will_Fail]

Both Tom and Harry sucked to be honest. Tom was the most pathetic "bad boy" character ever. I hate when people pretend like he went through this big character arc from bad boy to family man, because it was more like wet rag to inconsiderate douche with a girlfriend.