Why do people keep saying Voyager weakened the Borg? - Page 33

zar · February 16 2012, 07:41 AM

exodus wrote:

zar wrote:

exodus wrote:

QFT

A review has no merit if it's presented from a bias point of view because it's lost it's objectivity. Complaining is not a review, it's simply using a format to bitch.

Could you give us an example of a negative TV show or movie review that is based on objectivity and not presented from a biased point of view?

There are plenty of critics and press that have been openly bias about the personal attitudes of such actors like Russell Crowe and Sean Penn, yet that bias isn't shown nor does it affect the reviews of their films or movie projects. They are base upon their performance or film subject content. Richard Gere was black listed by the press and public for comments he made after 9/11, yet his political point of view has no effect on any review of his films he did after.

I am not sure where the analogue is. Does sfdebris have a personal issue with an actor? Why is complaining not a review?

MacLeod · February 16 2012, 07:58 AM

I've seen some of the sfdebris reviews of the arious shows he reviews. Some I agree with some I don't. Yes sometimes his reviews are negative and he complains but he always says it's his opinion.

So that being the case if complaining about an episode isn't considered a review logically the reverse is also true and praising an episode isn't a review.

Guy Gardener · February 16 2012, 07:58 AM

An honest review can only start from hate.

A negative review from a from a lover is probably as honest as a loving review form a hater, and at this point in the game only fricking children are impartial, so we're looking for transitioning points of view, and almost anything can make someone hate, but it's really hard to love anything or anyone, ever, after you turn thirty.

exodus · February 16 2012, 08:15 AM

MacLeod wrote:

I've seen some of the sfdebris reviews of the arious shows he reviews. Some I agree with some I don't. Yes sometimes his reviews are negative and he complains but he always says it's his opinion.

So that being the case if complaining about an episode isn't considered a review logically the reverse is also true and praising an episode isn't a review.

Yep, that is true too because it also lacks objectivity.
No film or TV show ep. is 100% perfect.

Guy Gardener · February 16 2012, 08:52 AM

The first episode of Lost was a hundred percent success, and the last episode of Lost was a hundred percent fail.

jpch · February 16 2012, 06:43 PM

exodus wrote:

jpch wrote:

sfdebris are bullshit all the reviews are made by VoY Hater not objective at all.

QFT

A review has no merit if it's presented from a bias point of view because it's lost it's objectivity. sfbedris often bases how good an episode is simply based on how well he personally likes the character regardless of subject content, acting or cinematography. A review isn't honest if it's based on favoritism. Complaining is not a review, it's simply using a format to bitch.

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CaptainMatt · February 17 2012, 12:52 AM

Back to opening topic: VOY did not weaken the Borg. Any series with multiple Borg episodes would have had issues doing convincing stories based around the assimilation threat. Had TNG done this would we complain?

Guy Gardener · February 17 2012, 01:56 AM

DS9 had th Borg once.

It scared the shit out of me.

Enterprise had the Borg once.

I threw my TV down a stairwell.

Anwar · February 17 2012, 04:16 AM

DS9 didn't really do the Borg, they just showed us a new part of TNG's own Borg story.

Guy Gardener · February 17 2012, 04:33 AM

More like the Borg did DS9.

If they hadn't killed Jennifer, gods know who would have been given that command in orbit of Bajor, and the Worm hole would never have been found, and the Dominion war would have been delayed for centuries.

teacake · February 17 2012, 04:42 AM

The Borg were just a tool of the prophets?

Guy Gardener · February 17 2012, 04:48 AM

The Phrophets are "pan-time".

As soon as Sisko joined them, he had always been there and always been part of the decision making process that killed Jennifer. In fact, I don't think that Benjamin would have allowed anyone at all to have whacked his wife but himself. Slept with his father, that's some other buggers job, but killed his wife? That gig was all about Ben.

teacake · February 17 2012, 04:51 AM

Poor Kasidy Yates

GalaxyX · February 17 2012, 04:56 AM

froot wrote:

So, while digging through screenshots, I noticed they made the Borg in the flashbacks in "Dark Frontier" look like TNG-era Borg (they had mottled skin, though.)

They must have assimilated a species along the way who thought they looked silly and told them to update their look.

OMG!!! Hilarious!!! I exploded in laughter here for the past 10 mins!!

Guy Gardener · February 17 2012, 05:34 AM

teacake wrote:

Poor Kasidy Yates

You wouldn't be chuffed, if someone killed their spouse to make room for you?

February 16 2012, 07:58 AM	#482
MacLeod Vice Admiral Location: Great Britain	Re: Why do people keep saying Voyager weakened the Borg? I've seen some of the sfdebris reviews of the arious shows he reviews. Some I agree with some I don't. Yes sometimes his reviews are negative and he complains but he always says it's his opinion. So that being the case if complaining about an episode isn't considered a review logically the reverse is also true and praising an episode isn't a review. __________________ On the continent of wild endeavour in the mountains of solace and solitude there stood the citadel of the time lords, the oldest and most mighty race in the universe looking down on the galaxies below sworn never to interfere only to watch.

February 16 2012, 07:58 AM	#483
Guy Gardener Admiral Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.	Re: Why do people keep saying Voyager weakened the Borg? An honest review can only start from hate. A negative review from a from a lover is probably as honest as a loving review form a hater, and at this point in the game only fricking children are impartial, so we're looking for transitioning points of view, and almost anything can make someone hate, but it's really hard to love anything or anyone, ever, after you turn thirty. __________________ "Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft." Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz

February 16 2012, 08:52 AM	#485
Guy Gardener Admiral Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.	Re: Why do people keep saying Voyager weakened the Borg? The first episode of Lost was a hundred percent success, and the last episode of Lost was a hundred percent fail. __________________ "Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft." Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz

February 17 2012, 12:52 AM	#487
CaptainMatt Fleet Captain Location: Sector 001	Re: Why do people keep saying Voyager weakened the Borg? Back to opening topic: VOY did not weaken the Borg. Any series with multiple Borg episodes would have had issues doing convincing stories based around the assimilation threat. Had TNG done this would we complain?

February 17 2012, 01:56 AM	#488
Guy Gardener Admiral Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.	Re: Why do people keep saying Voyager weakened the Borg? DS9 had th Borg once. It scared the shit out of me. Enterprise had the Borg once. I threw my TV down a stairwell. __________________ "Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft." Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz

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February 17 2012, 04:16 AM	#489
Anwar Vice Admiral Location: Regina, SK, Canada	Re: Why do people keep saying Voyager weakened the Borg? DS9 didn't really do the Borg, they just showed us a new part of TNG's own Borg story.

February 17 2012, 04:33 AM	#490
Guy Gardener Admiral Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.	Re: Why do people keep saying Voyager weakened the Borg? More like the Borg did DS9. If they hadn't killed Jennifer, gods know who would have been given that command in orbit of Bajor, and the Worm hole would never have been found, and the Dominion war would have been delayed for centuries. __________________ "Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft." Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz

February 17 2012, 04:42 AM	#491
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: Why do people keep saying Voyager weakened the Borg? The Borg were just a tool of the prophets? __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

February 17 2012, 04:48 AM	#492
Guy Gardener Admiral Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.	Re: Why do people keep saying Voyager weakened the Borg? The Phrophets are "pan-time". As soon as Sisko joined them, he had always been there and always been part of the decision making process that killed Jennifer. In fact, I don't think that Benjamin would have allowed anyone at all to have whacked his wife but himself. Slept with his father, that's some other buggers job, but killed his wife? That gig was all about Ben. __________________ "Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft." Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz

February 17 2012, 04:51 AM	#493
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: Why do people keep saying Voyager weakened the Borg? Poor Kasidy Yates __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne