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Old February 15 2012, 12:31 AM   #406
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I like Falling Skies okay, but they could stand to kick it up a notch. It's a bit too middle-America-bland right now.
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Old February 15 2012, 04:30 AM   #407
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Shows like Warehouse 13, Eureka, Sanctuary et cetera are not light and fluffy-- they're just not dark and gritty. They are all very solid, well-written, well-produced and well-cast shows that seldom fail to entertain. They're certainly a far cry better than the "rated M for Mature" stuff that is currently considered "edgy."
This pretty much sums up my feelings as well.
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It's not the fluffiness, it's the formulaic nature of those shows I dislike. It's possible for a show to be both dark/grim and formulaic, and that's no better.

Two examples: Alcatraz and Grimm. I'm running out of patience for both. Is it too much to ask for a show not to cling to the tired mission-of-the-week format? (Ironically, Grimm has a fair amount of humor and charm, which will probably keep me watching after I've bailed on Alcatraz).
Ok, I do agree with you on Alcatraz, I gave up after the first pair of episodes. It was too much of just a generic cop show for me, and the mythology wasn't interesting enough to keep me interested during the cop show stories. Grimm on the other hand, I love. Sure it's basically just a cop show, but I find the cases, mythology aspects, and the characters interesting enough that I still really enjoy the episodes. I don't mind so much if it's formulaic if the writing, stories, and universe are interesting to me.
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Old February 15 2012, 10:43 AM   #408
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Is it too much to ask for a show not to cling to the tired mission-of-the-week format?
That's a classic format. Star Trek did it. Sherlock Holmes did it. Odysseus did it. I like it just fine.

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I don't mind so much if it's formulaic if the writing, stories, and universe are interesting to me.
Exactly. And if I like the characters. It's all about the quality, not the format.
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Old February 15 2012, 03:10 PM   #409
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Lots of shows in recent years have told serialized stories rather than case/client-of-the-week stories, but the client format survives because it works. Yes, there's value in an ongoing, long-form story in which each episode is merely a chapter, provided the long-form story is worthwhile. But there's also value in having each episode be a complete and fulfilling tale in itself. If you're going to tell a story in an episodic format, it makes sense to structure it as a series of distinct episodes, rather than just one big story that takes a weeklong break after every 42 minutes of content. That's why plenty of shows these days combine a client-of-the-week plot formula with serialized character or mythology arcs. It's a balance that's proven successful and popular. (Although like any other format, it can become tired or cliched, particularly if it overdoes the approach of having every case of the week resonate directly and obviously with the main characters' personal arcs.)
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Old February 15 2012, 08:07 PM   #410
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Is it too much to ask for a show not to cling to the tired mission-of-the-week format?
That's a classic format. Star Trek did it. Sherlock Holmes did it. Odysseus did it. I like it just fine.
The average TV show is not being written by Homer. Maybe Homer Simpson.

Lots of shows in recent years have told serialized stories rather than case/client-of-the-week stories, but the client format survives because it works.
There's an audience for it, but unless the show is of particularly good quality, I'm not part of that audience.

Then again, I'm not the audience for a bad serialized show either. Plenty of those going around, just look at The River.
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Old February 15 2012, 08:19 PM   #411
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There's an audience for it, but unless the show is of particularly good quality, I'm not part of that audience.

Then again, I'm not the audience for a bad serialized show either. Plenty of those going around, just look at The River.
Not to derail your thread into this debate but a friend of mine is a casual ST viewer and disliked DS9 because you'd have to go back and rewatch 10 episodes to catch up with the seralization and themes that followed the story.

Voyger/TNG on the other hand didn't require as much the viewer to 'catch up.'
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Old February 15 2012, 08:34 PM   #412
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Derail away, I don't care what we talk about. Yeah, serialization can be a tough sell because it requires people to invest time in following it and catching up on it. So a show needs to be of exceptional quality to motivate that amount of attention. I made an effort to catch up on the first two seasons of Justified so I'd understand the third, and that show is only semi-serialized.
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Old February 15 2012, 10:15 PM   #413
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Zero Hour has a fun-sounding globe-trotting aspect...

Zero Hour is a drama about a magazine editor who finds himself in what could be the biggest conspiracy of all time. It takes place in France and Germany in 1938 and in present day Chicago as well as the Alps and the Arctic Tundra.
The Montreal filming is probably a stand-in for France and Germany. No casting news yet.
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Old February 15 2012, 10:41 PM   #414
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Katie Cassidy has been cast as the female lead of Arrow.
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Old February 15 2012, 11:38 PM   #415
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I made an effort to catch up on the first two seasons of Justified so I'd understand the third, and that show is only semi-serialized.
btw: I think Justified's first season is an excellent example of how to do a "case of the week" show right. In almost every episode, they introduce one or two characters that are infinitely more interesting and complex than the entire casts of Alcatraz or most Syfy shows combined. And the plots always feel fresh, even if it's just another "criminal of the week".
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Is it too much to ask for a show not to cling to the tired mission-of-the-week format?
That's a classic format. Star Trek did it. Sherlock Holmes did it. Odysseus did it. I like it just fine.
The average TV show is not being written by Homer. Maybe Homer Simpson.
The quality of individual series or stories doesn't impact the validity of a particular format. The difference between episodic and serialized television is the same difference as short stories and novels; neither one is inherently superior to the other.
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^Right. Moreover, "episodic" and "serialized" aren't absolute categories, they're just tools in the kit, and most shows employ a mix of both approaches. It always bewilders me that people insist on this totally false notion that TV shows can be split down the middle between those two categories. That's a caricature that bears almost no resemblance to reality.
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Old February 16 2012, 05:35 AM   #418
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‘Lost’ Alum Terry O’Quinn’s Next TV Gig: Starring Role In ABC Supernatural Pilot

One of Lost‘s most popular stars, Terry O’Quinn, is back on the supernatural drama beat and back at ABC with a lead role in the network’s drama pilot 666 Park Avenue. Based on the Alloy book series by Gabriella Pierce, the project centers on a young couple who accept an offer to manage one of the most historic apartment buildings in New York City. Unwittingly, they begin to experience supernatural occurrences, which complicate and endanger the lives of everyone in the building. O’Quinn will play Gavin, the building’s owner.
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Willa Holland (Gossip Girl) has been cast in the modern retelling of the story of DC Comics character Green Arrow.

Holland will play Thea Queen, Oliver’s celebutante younger sister who’s testing the boundaries of acceptable behavior
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^Right. Moreover, "episodic" and "serialized" aren't absolute categories, they're just tools in the kit, and most shows employ a mix of both approaches. It always bewilders me that people insist on this totally false notion that TV shows can be split down the middle between those two categories. That's a caricature that bears almost no resemblance to reality.
That's true, as well. Shows like Monk and Bones have used an episodic format while the characters lives evolve in the background.
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Old February 16 2012, 02:53 PM   #420
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^Right. Moreover, "episodic" and "serialized" aren't absolute categories, they're just tools in the kit, and most shows employ a mix of both approaches.
Yes the X-Files were episodic and yet the characters had arcs spanning a few episodes and other arcs spanning a whole season or 2.

ENT was episodic for season 1 & 2. Season 3 they tried a serialized type of storytelling and I thought it was fine as I only watched it on DVD and not during the initial broadcast.
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