The OFFICIAL STNG Next Level Bluray watch and review thread - Page 27

BillJ · February 9 2012, 12:53 PM

davejames wrote:

Destructor wrote:

davejames wrote:

The only thing that might need to be improved is that Borg interior shot, where we pull back to see more of the hive. All it should really take is a small color correction though, to better blend together the set and painting.

Yeah, sure, retouch and remaster and whatnot, I was more saying that I think it'd be a mistake to replace the odd, off-kilter 'battle scenes' in that episode (where the Enterprise and cube just sort of stand there looking at each other, most of the time) with a more modern interpretation (The Enterprise whizzing past doing strafing runs and so forth). I think a big part of that episode's charm is its stateliness- the tension comes from the strange absence of action, the utter lack of concern from the Borg.

The 'pull-out' shot of the cube interior actually made me say: "Woah!" when I first saw it- I don't see the need to replace it, beyond the rescanning and remastering of the original plates.

Actually I think there's one other thing I might try to fix-- the strange part where Data keeps firing in the completely wrong place while trying to destroy the Borg's tractor beam.

Not really sure how you'd fix that though. Perhaps have a beam emitting from each of those three places he fires at? You obviously can't direct all the fire at just the one area, because you'd still have the two other giant craters to explain...

Perhaps Data was simpy gunning for the power source first, unsuccessfully.

JarodRussell · February 9 2012, 01:43 PM

davejames wrote:

Actually I think there's one other thing I might try to fix-- the strange part where Data keeps firing in the completely wrong place while trying to destroy the Borg's tractor beam.

LOL, that was intended.

Trekker4747 · February 9 2012, 03:59 PM

davejames wrote:

Destructor wrote:

davejames wrote:

The only thing that might need to be improved is that Borg interior shot, where we pull back to see more of the hive. All it should really take is a small color correction though, to better blend together the set and painting.

Yeah, sure, retouch and remaster and whatnot, I was more saying that I think it'd be a mistake to replace the odd, off-kilter 'battle scenes' in that episode (where the Enterprise and cube just sort of stand there looking at each other, most of the time) with a more modern interpretation (The Enterprise whizzing past doing strafing runs and so forth). I think a big part of that episode's charm is its stateliness- the tension comes from the strange absence of action, the utter lack of concern from the Borg.

The 'pull-out' shot of the cube interior actually made me say: "Woah!" when I first saw it- I don't see the need to replace it, beyond the rescanning and remastering of the original plates.

Actually I think there's one other thing I might try to fix-- the strange part where Data keeps firing in the completely wrong place while trying to destroy the Borg's tractor beam.

Not really sure how you'd fix that though. Perhaps have a beam emitting from each of those three places he fires at? You obviously can't direct all the fire at just the one area, because you'd still have the two other giant craters to explain...

You realize Worf, as the tactical officer, would be the one firing the phasers, right?

Patrick O'Brien · February 9 2012, 04:52 PM

22 Stars wrote:

I am so happy with the model work and general fx work the crew did. They really did shoot stuff at near-feature quality. The size of the 6 foooter, and detail in the large Borg cube etc. show that they didn't skimp on the details.

Sure, with a different budget and less time constraints (and a 16x9 AR) TNG could really have looked like a feature every week, but Legato, Moore, Curry, Okuda and Sternbach did a fantastic job.

I agree totally. The true craftsmanship of the effects team comes through in brilliant 1080p. The Enterprise D has never looked better

davejames · February 9 2012, 05:34 PM

BillJ wrote:

Perhaps Data was simpy gunning for the power source first, unsuccessfully.

Well yeah, I know that's how we've all rationalized it over the years, but it still looks odd. Especially considering the beam doesn't actually STOP until he finally fires at where it's coming from.

Plus, regardless of where the power source is, wouldn't the emitter be the first place you would fire anyway?

Trimm · February 10 2012, 04:52 AM

http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x...int_hd_791.jpg

That's a REALLY good shot of the 2 foot Enterprise D model.

GalaxyX · February 10 2012, 05:04 AM

Trimm wrote:

http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x...int_hd_791.jpg

That's a REALLY good shot of the 2 foot Enterprise D model.

I've always labelled that scene in my mind as "The Enterprise faces a UFO"

RAMA · February 10 2012, 07:57 AM

Maxwell Everett wrote:

tomswift2002 wrote:

If you watch Farpoint, when Picard, Troi and Riker are in Zorn's office, if you look at Troi's headband, in every close up shot on the Blu-Ray her headband goes into the top casing of the TV, but on the DVD there is quite a bit of open space between the top of her head and the TV casing.

You're right, the framing is slightly different there. But in this case I'm okay with it because they are just framing down slightly, rather than cropping the entire image on all sides. Notice how we see more of her com badge as a result? As long as they take their new TV extraction from within the Academy aperture area, the picture should still look okay and be within the tolerances that the filmmakers intended.

DVD:
http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...point2_039.jpg

Blu-ray:
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x...int_hd_537.jpg

Funny that I didn't notice this. Possibly because there was MORE picture in the first episode on the disc, and never bothered to check the others..

Start Wreck · February 10 2012, 10:23 AM

Intriguing. Any speculation on what happened there? Interesting that FX shots weren't affected, suggesting they were handed over to another department while the untouched shots may have been improperly framed for some reason.

BillJ · February 10 2012, 05:19 PM

Well, finally sat down and watched The Inner Light. The experience reinforces something I learned from TOS-R, these episodes really aren't going to be any better or worse than the first time around.

If you thought that The Last Outpost or Up the Long Ladder was a bad episode every other time you watched it, you're still going to find it a bad episode this time around. Just much, much clearer.

Tosk · February 10 2012, 05:23 PM

...? Why wouldn't that be the case? I don't think anyone ever believed the writing of poor episodes would somehow be improved.

22 Stars · February 10 2012, 05:39 PM

Tosk wrote:

...? Why wouldn't that be the case? I don't think anyone ever believed the writing of poor episodes would somehow be improved.

Yeah, that is a big wtf? Of COURSE the content of the episodes will not improve but I will say that the re-watchability for me will be increased just because they will be clearer and the new/improved look of the effects.

The DVD's are very poor esp when watching them at over 90" diag. as I do.

BillJ · February 10 2012, 05:48 PM

22 Stars wrote:

Tosk wrote:

...? Why wouldn't that be the case? I don't think anyone ever believed the writing of poor episodes would somehow be improved.

Yeah, that is a big wtf? Of COURSE the content of the episodes will not improve but I will say that the re-watchability for me will be increased just because they will be clearer and the new/improved look of the effects.

The DVD's are very poor esp when watching them at over 90" diag. as I do.

I've simply seen the arguments in TOS-R threads where people try to argue the content is somehow better and it really "improved some episodes". When it did nothing of the sort...

22 Stars · February 10 2012, 05:53 PM

It did nothing of the sort FOR YOU, but i will tell you for me, and others, the clarity of the show did affect my enjoyment of both the good and bad episodes, and even poor episodes have moments I would like to revisit, in clear HD not muddy poorly compressed DVD.

Sindatur · February 10 2012, 05:56 PM

22 Stars wrote:

It did nothing of the sort FOR YOU, but i will tell you for me, and others, the clarity of the show did affect my enjoyment of both the good and bad episodes, and even poor episodes have moments I would like to revisit, in clear HD not muddy poorly compressed DVD.

Yea, a terrible episode that has massive special effects in it, would definitely be improved by the remastering, since the special effects would now be worth watching.

February 10 2012, 04:52 AM	#396
Trimm Commander Location: Memphis	Re: The OFFICIAL STNG Next Level Bluray watch and review thread http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x...int_hd_791.jpg That's a REALLY good shot of the 2 foot Enterprise D model. __________________ Patrick: Liar Liar plants for hire. Spongebob: Its "pants on fire" Patrick. Patrick: Well you would know...liar.

February 10 2012, 10:23 AM	#399
Start Wreck Fleet Captain	Re: The OFFICIAL STNG Next Level Bluray watch and review thread Intriguing. Any speculation on what happened there? Interesting that FX shots weren't affected, suggesting they were handed over to another department while the untouched shots may have been improperly framed for some reason. __________________ Fallen Star - My home-made sci-fi TV show Start Wreck - My Star Trek spoof web comic Doctor Who From The Start - A n00b does a blog

February 10 2012, 05:19 PM	#400
BillJ Vice Admiral Location: In the 23rd Century...	Re: The OFFICIAL STNG Next Level Bluray watch and review thread Well, finally sat down and watched The Inner Light. The experience reinforces something I learned from TOS-R, these episodes really aren't going to be any better or worse than the first time around. If you thought that The Last Outpost or Up the Long Ladder was a bad episode every other time you watched it, you're still going to find it a bad episode this time around. Just much, much clearer. __________________ "You know. 1966? Seventy-nine episodes, about thirty good ones." - Phillip Fry describing Star Trek, Futurama

February 10 2012, 05:23 PM	#401
Tosk Rear Admiral Location: On the run.	Re: The OFFICIAL STNG Next Level Bluray watch and review thread ...? Why wouldn't that be the case? I don't think anyone ever believed the writing of poor episodes would somehow be improved.

February 10 2012, 05:53 PM	#404
22 Stars Commodore	Re: The OFFICIAL STNG Next Level Bluray watch and review thread It did nothing of the sort FOR YOU, but i will tell you for me, and others, the clarity of the show did affect my enjoyment of both the good and bad episodes, and even poor episodes have moments I would like to revisit, in clear HD not muddy poorly compressed DVD.

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