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Old January 18 2012, 05:33 AM   #31
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Re: The "Shatnerverse" what do you all think-recommend or no

I'm a fan of the books- they were my introduction to Trek Lit. I've *since* realized they are cartoonish and OTT, but at the time I thought they were double-plus good.
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Old January 18 2012, 05:55 AM   #32
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Re: The "Shatnerverse" what do you all think-recommend or no

I've just ran across this thread, and I'd like to share my opinions on the books (aside from Captain's Peril. I skipped it

The Ashes of Eden: A fairly good TOS novel set after TUC. It's a fun read with some good development of character and action. Shatner's ego was, er, pretty well in check...

The Return: Not the best Trek novel by any means, and it has more action than even Die Hard (which isn't so bad, really..), but it also makes for a fun story of Kirk's resurection and the TNG crew fighting the Borg...oh, and the USS Monitor is a neat device. But the best part of the book was the Borg subplot

Avenger: An interesting story involving Kirks re-return and a little twist on Ambassador Sarek's death.

Spectre/Dark Victory/Preserver:The first is awesome, IMO. The little trick with the USS Voyager was clever. 2nd was kinda eh, but with lots of mystery. Third...wellllll....it was neat, but not SUPER awesome. (As some others have said, it is rather cartoonish.
Captain's Blood and Glory were pretty dull for the most part.
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Old January 18 2012, 01:15 PM   #33
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Re: The "Shatnerverse" what do you all think-recommend or no

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Lets face it, Kirk CAN beat up anyone because he is Kirk from Star Trek.
Not really. Remember, Roddenberry's whole purpose with Star Trek was to get away with the cartoony, larger-than-life fantasies of most science fiction on TV and approach the genre as a naturalistic adult drama, with more grounded and human characters. Kirk wasn't supposed to be some perfect superhero, but a relatable everyman with flaws and doubts and vulnerabilities and limitations. He generally did win his fights, but often with difficulty, getting pretty beat up in the process. And there were a number of fights he didn't win. Spock totally wiped the floor with him in "This Side of Paradise" and "Amok Time." The Air Force guards took him down in "Tomorrow is Yesterday." Cloud William beat him easily in "The Omega Glory." So he wasn't some unbeatable fantasy hero.
He was the only one with willpower enough to beat the spores in "This Side of Paradise". He won a fist fight with a genetically-engineered superman in "Space Seed". Earlier in the same episode, he remained concious longer than anyone else when the oxygen was cut off to the bridge.

Kirk was mortal in some episodes, but not all.
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Old January 19 2012, 06:07 AM   #34
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Re: The "Shatnerverse" what do you all think-recommend or no

I liked the first 2 trilogies but the third one wasn't nearly as good and I lost interest in it to the point where I decided not to read Collision Course.
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Old January 22 2012, 12:03 AM   #35
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Thanks for all the insight to this point guys, I will start with Ashes of Eden as it seems like its good and look into the other ones as they are for a good story despite the resurrection deal. Wanted to ask about collision course though is it a good TOS prequel for Kirk? Does it give more background and other details? The whole premise of Kirk at the academy seems really interesting so im definitely going to try to get collision course as it seems like a real interesting story.
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Old January 22 2012, 12:15 AM   #36
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"Collision Course" feels much more like the 2009 movie version of Trek than the original series. It's loosely based on a pitch Shatner and the Reeves-Stevens made for a Star Trek Academy TV series in 2003 (or thereabouts). A larger story is hinted at, and a sequel promised at the end, which unfortuately never materialized.

It's in a continuity unto itself, ignoring stuff even from previous Shatner books.
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Old January 23 2012, 06:51 PM   #37
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I just finished Collision Course and really liked it.
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Old January 23 2012, 07:29 PM   #38
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Personally, I've never minded that Collision Course hasn't had a follow up. The Shatner novels felt like they got more and more over the top as they went on, and this one... Yeah, it was so over the top to me that it crashed down to the bottom.
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Old February 10 2012, 02:04 AM   #39
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Re: The "Shatnerverse" what do you all think-recommend or no

Well, to re-iterate what I said elsewhere:

I love the first four of his novels, though (that is, "Ashes of Eden", "The Return", "Avenger" and "Spectre"). Yes, "The Return" is the "wild" one of the bunch, as I do think the other ones are better written... But hey, "The Return" was only following one of the most vile, most God-awful movies ever (and I'm not kidding). Bringing him was necessary, IMO. And AoE is a great final chapter for Kirk and co. just before GEN, and a great epilogue to TUC.

The MU trilogy is a mixed bag... The first one is superb, "Dark Victory" is indeed meh, but still quite good - especially for its use of Garak, and as everybody knows, whatever Garak we get is better than no Garak. "Preserver" is... Very mixed bag. Mostly because whatever role Picard has in it is abandoned in the third half of the novel and the MU focus is sorta shifted to a whole different kind of spectrum.

The Totality trilogy is OK. The first one I dug, because the first half had Kirk and Picard interacting wonderfully - their discussion about the Prime Directive is great stuff - the second half is basically a flashback to Kirk's early days and the third half has Kirk looking for Picard. THe second novel is every bit as OTT as they go - but its OK, cause its a decent follow-up to NEM, though not quite as good as the equivelant Titan novel. And "Captain Glory" is OK, but the climax and epilogue are totally awesome. Its a really fine ending to Kirk's adventures in the Prime Universe, bittersweet but also... Fun.

Never read Collision Course, and I don't think I plan to. Sorry.

Something I'd like to note: I like to view GEN, "The Return" and FC as an unofficial trilogy: The Enterprise-D crashes and Kirk dies, Kirk comes back because of the Borg's insedious alliance with a Romulan fraction to take down the Federation, and when the Federation basically closes down one of its home planets, the Borg fight back by direct assault and then time-travel. And what links all those stories throughout is the TNG crew.
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Old February 10 2012, 02:19 AM   #40
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^"Third half?"
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Old February 10 2012, 05:39 AM   #41
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I don't remember which book it was, one of the early ones, but I quit after reading both Picard and Sulu and Spock written as petty hidebound bureaucrats who are too narrow minded to understand what's going on, and only Kirk has the intelligence and vision to see, understand, and combat the threat to hand.

I threw up in my mouth a little bit, put the book down and walked away and haven't been back since.
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Old February 10 2012, 10:48 AM   #42
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Old February 10 2012, 02:16 PM   #43
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^"Third half?"
Well, it was in a nine-part trilogy.
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Old February 10 2012, 09:55 PM   #44
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Thw dirst four bookks were generally alright (aside from the way Kirk was resurrected in The Return) but afterwards..no. After Spectre the series seemingly jumped a shark and made Kirk into a demi-god or something close to it.


Collision Course was better than the latter half of the "Kirk's Return" novels but easily and immediately contradicted by what JJ did for the series in 2009.
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Old February 14 2012, 07:10 AM   #45
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Thw dirst four bookks were generally alright (aside from the way Kirk was resurrected in The Return) but afterwards..no. After Spectre the series seemingly jumped a shark and made Kirk into a demi-god or something close to it.


Collision Course was better than the latter half of the "Kirk's Return" novels but easily and immediately contradicted by what JJ did for the series in 2009.
JJ's 2009 movie is an alternate universe. No contradiction.
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