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Old February 9 2012, 05:24 PM   #1021
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In other news: When you log in the next time, you will be able to use any special console from +1 ships (T1-T4) on any ship.

This is absolutely the final nail in the coffin for PvP for me.

I tried a match yesterday and I was disgusted by the console abuse the Klingons are already capable of in their BoPs, now everyone will be using it until PvP is really dead, because no one has fun anymore...

I guess Cryptic didn't sell enough conso... I mean ships.


Sorry for the rant.
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Are you telling me I can now put a transwarp console on my defiant?!?!
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Old February 9 2012, 05:28 PM   #1022
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Hanover Fiste wrote: View Post
Timelord_Victorious wrote: View Post
In other news: When you log in the next time, you will be able to use any special console from +1 ships (T1-T4) on any ship.

This is absolutely the final nail in the coffin for PvP for me.

I tried a match yesterday and I was disgusted by the console abuse the Klingons are already capable of in their BoPs, now everyone will be using it until PvP is really dead, because no one has fun anymore...

I guess Cryptic didn't sell enough conso... I mean ships.


Sorry for the rant.
!!!!!!!!

Are you telling me I can now put a transwarp console on my defiant?!?!
if it is the one from a T3 Excelsior by Cryptic'S definition you can...

And a photonic displacement on a galaxy class, and a point defense on a Intrepid and a heat seeking torp on a fleet exort or all into one ship.
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Old February 9 2012, 06:07 PM   #1023
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As some of you may know, I'm an ardent PvPer... Yet due to the widely considered overpowered consoles the Klinks have recieved (and the fact a lot of them can be equipped on a BoP), I've not bothered to queue up for an FvK match for a while.

If suddenly you can have cloaking Fed escorts using anti-matter spread, tanky Odysseys using photonic displacement (and ablative armour), it'll mean FvF, my last respite for a good fight, will become just as much a P2W fest. Which, like for Thafool, will mean the death of PvP for me.

Now, as I said, I'm PvP crazy... So this has seriously pissed me off. I mean, I knew PvP was never high on the lists(more near bottom), but this is just insane.

Now, if they were to make it so the P2W consoles didn't work in PvP, I'd be jumping for joy. Hell, I'd bet people who only do a very casual bit of PvP will be jumping for joy.
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Old February 9 2012, 06:20 PM   #1024
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Now, as I said, I'm PvP crazy... So this has seriously pissed me off. I mean, I knew PvP was never high on the lists(more near bottom), but this is just insane.
I don't think that's a completely fair assessment. Many of the STO devs are ardent PvPers. I'm not saying they aren't screwing the pooch with this change, but it's not because nobody cares about PvP. The fact they're not very good at balancing it doesn't mean they hate it.
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Old February 9 2012, 06:37 PM   #1025
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Timelord_Victorious wrote: View Post
In other news: When you log in the next time, you will be able to use any special console from +1 ships (T1-T4) on any ship.

This is absolutely the final nail in the coffin for PvP for me.

I tried a match yesterday and I was disgusted by the console abuse the Klingons are already capable of in their BoPs, now everyone will be using it until PvP is really dead, because no one has fun anymore...

I guess Cryptic didn't sell enough conso... I mean ships.


Sorry for the rant.
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As some of you may know, I'm an ardent PvPer... Yet due to the widely considered overpowered consoles the Klinks have recieved (and the fact a lot of them can be equipped on a BoP), I've not bothered to queue up for an FvK match for a while.

If suddenly you can have cloaking Fed escorts using anti-matter spread, tanky Odysseys using photonic displacement (and ablative armour), it'll mean FvF, my last respite for a good fight, will become just as much a P2W fest. Which, like for Thafool, will mean the death of PvP for me.

Now, as I said, I'm PvP crazy... So this has seriously pissed me off. I mean, I knew PvP was never high on the lists(more near bottom), but this is just insane.

Now, if they were to make it so the P2W consoles didn't work in PvP, I'd be jumping for joy. Hell, I'd bet people who only do a very casual bit of PvP will be jumping for joy.
I'm just going offer condolences about something coming that will suck for you and hope you can find something new thats fun to do.

But honestly and I don't mean to offend anyone but I never really so the draw of PVP. Imean your just fighting five guys over and over again and accomplishing absolutly nothing, it kind of gets boring after a while. Which is why the fighter thing was fun it was something different and kind of fun seeing as it equalized things a little where as in regular PVP its exeperts blowing newbies up oer and over again which can be a turn off.

Then theres the fact that the idiotic DS9 rehash war storyline which makes no since at this point in the story is only continuing so they can have PVP, the T5 connie controversy caused somewhat by the bitching of whinny jerkass PVPers* as well as anal trekkies (a match made in hell as far as I'm concerned), the fact that their persence on the game forums is basically the jerkasses (the same guys from the T5 connie thing)* of the group doesn't really help either and probably contributed to most people avoiding PVP (well except the connie thing).

*I'm sure most PVPers aren't bitchy jerkasses who insult anyone who dosen't PVP at EVERY opportunity but those are the ones that apparently post on the forums.

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Now, as I said, I'm PvP crazy... So this has seriously pissed me off. I mean, I knew PvP was never high on the lists(more near bottom), but this is just insane.
I don't think that's a completely fair assessment. Many of the STO devs are ardent PvPers. I'm not saying they aren't screwing the pooch with this change, but it's not because nobody cares about PvP. The fact they're not very good at balancing it doesn't mean they hate it.
Honestly I think it may also have to do with the fact that from what I can tell the majority of players PVE so they may focus more on where the majority of the cash keeping them running is coming from, much like how klingon content is slow to come as I believe there are more fed players.

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Old February 9 2012, 07:49 PM   #1026
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You can't equip any of the tier 5 consoles on another ship type. So the ablative hull armour generator is still only for the science based Intrepid and its variants.
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Old February 9 2012, 09:00 PM   #1027
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Being a long time MMO player, I know the one thing that's a constant is there's always an imbalance in the skills and abilities. It may be a bad thing now, but the balance does change change over time. And frankly, quite often the developers will over compensate when rebalancing and end up overpowering the previously underpowered.
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Old February 9 2012, 10:09 PM   #1028
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You can't equip any of the tier 5 consoles on another ship type. So the ablative hull armour generator is still only for the science based Intrepid and its variants.
For now, but this give me hope that I will one day get to put an ablative generator on my Defiant.


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Old February 9 2012, 10:33 PM   #1029
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You can't equip any of the tier 5 consoles on another ship type. So the ablative hull armour generator is still only for the science based Intrepid and its variants.
For now, but this give me hope that I will one day get to put an ablative generator on my Defiant.


It'll be a long wait. They'd need to model the armour for every single ship, from every single tier and all of their potential variants. Imagine the work involved, then think about how that time could've been better spent actually making new ships instead.
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Old February 9 2012, 11:56 PM   #1030
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Eh, the game is all about Defiants for me anyway. It's my endgame ship no matter what career path, but ENG + Defiant seems to be the best fit for me.
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Old February 10 2012, 06:20 AM   #1031
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You can't equip any of the tier 5 consoles on another ship type. So the ablative hull armour generator is still only for the science based Intrepid and its variants.
For now, but this give me hope that I will one day get to put an ablative generator on my Defiant.


It'll be a long wait. They'd need to model the armour for every single ship, from every single tier and all of their potential variants. Imagine the work involved, then think about how that time could've been better spent actually making new ships instead.
This is the same reason we will only have cloaking on the Defiant and Galaxy-X.

Oh and FYI it looks like the Galaxy-X is getting the Saucer Separation ability at some point.
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Old February 10 2012, 06:47 AM   #1032
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I just ran my first STF (Cure -Space - Normal) today! I'm sure everyone else here has done it a dozen times over already, but I finally tried it out. It took me so long because I don't like being the guy who sucks and brings the whole team down. Fortunately, that wasn't quite how it works. It was essentially just a Fleet Action, but the gear is much better! Also, I didn't get killed once, and I did my fair share of damage to the Borg!
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Old February 10 2012, 09:07 AM   #1033
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Personally I really like that I can put my sub T4 consoles on other ships. I was really disappointed a couple of days ago when I tried to put my Point Defence System console on the Argus and couldn't.

This morning I picked up three DS9 uniform packs for my Federation toons for a total of 100,000 EC (I sold a single Bolian Science officer to pay for it. )
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Old February 10 2012, 10:21 AM   #1034
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For now, but this give me hope that I will one day get to put an ablative generator on my Defiant.


It'll be a long wait. They'd need to model the armour for every single ship, from every single tier and all of their potential variants. Imagine the work involved, then think about how that time could've been better spent actually making new ships instead.
I don't need them to model every ship, just one ship class so that it is possible to own a Defiant class that has both ablative armor AND cloaking device. Every DS9 fanboi's dream.
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Old February 10 2012, 10:40 AM   #1035
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I think special consoles should be class specific. That is, if it came on a cruiser, then only an Engineer could properly use (equip). It wouldn't matter if the Engineer was in an Escort, he could still equip the console. Just my π cents. (that's a Pi symbol)

On a different note, is this Galor ship SPAM the way of the future for STO. It totally ruins any immersion into the game for me. Unless this gets fixed, I'm looking for another game to play.

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