Was Picard a generic action hero in the movies? - Page 2

Kelthaz · February 8 2012, 09:37 PM

22 Stars wrote:

The TNG movie formula did not serve PS well. And the odd thing is he kept pushing for things that I feel were not in his best interest! More action/dune buggy/physical stuff, instead of insisting on crafting more intelligent scripts.

It didn't serve Captain Picard very well. It served Patrick Stewart very well.

C.E. Evans · February 8 2012, 09:44 PM

Ronald Held wrote:

I thought he exhibited more of those traits after he met Kirk.

I think by TNG's seventh season, Picard was actually leading/being involved with more away missions than Riker.

Patrick Stewart wanting Picard to be more involved in the action may have started in TNG's final seasons or it may have been something the writers and producers wanted to do with the character.

BillJ · February 8 2012, 10:32 PM

22 Stars wrote:

The TNG movie formula did not serve PS well. And the odd thing is he kept pushing for things that I feel were not in his best interest! More action/dune buggy/physical stuff, instead of insisting on crafting more intelligent scripts.

This is along the same lines as Shatner writing and directing ST V. He comes across better in II, III and IV than he does in his own piece!

TNG could have pulled off plots closer to Syriana and Mission Impossible, and less of Die Hard and Aliens.

This is pretty spot-on.

CaptainMatt · February 8 2012, 11:03 PM

I have nothing aginst Patrick Stewart wanting to have more to do or more of a say in the scripts that came in by series' end or in the four features.As an earlier poster states so well, it made sense in First Contact for Picard to be at the heart of the fight against the Borg Collective as seen in that film. I like Insurrection after seeing it for the first time in years, but they were already perhaps pushing Picard in a corner of territory that may not have felt like the Picard we all know and love from the series. I don't know...just a thought to see what happens in here.

jayrath · February 9 2012, 02:00 AM

It's all part of the TNG franchise becoming more of a "Picard and Data Show" with each film. The vision of Stewart roaring with laughter as he rocketed his space Jeep in NEM still gives me the heebie jeebies.

I wouldn't mind if he had been that way during the series, but Picard the action hero was wildly out of character.

StevenR · February 9 2012, 04:50 AM

Ronald Held wrote:

I thought he exhibited more of those traits after he met Kirk.

Kirk: Never let them get you off of that bridge.
Picard: Get off the bridge more often. Got it.
Kirk: [sotto voce] Might as well fall off a bridge.

CaptainMatt · February 9 2012, 07:30 PM

StevenR wrote:

Ronald Held wrote:

I thought he exhibited more of those traits after he met Kirk.

Kirk: Never let them get you off of that bridge.
Picard: Get off the bridge more often. Got it.
Kirk: [sotto voce] Might as well fall off a bridge.

Silent_Bob · February 9 2012, 07:40 PM

The TNG movies felt to me like they wrote the scripts, then decided to switch all of Rikers activities with Picards.

In 'First Contact', i could accept that given Picards history with the Borg. Even still though it seemed far more suited to Picards particular character to be the one on the ground encouraging Cochrane to live up to his legend, while Riker kicked arse in orbit.

It's even worse in 'Insurrection', who would you say of the two would be best suited at making an impassioned plea to the Federation Council? And which of the two would be fittest for leading people on a mountainous trek, fighting off waves of enemies?

CaptainMatt · February 9 2012, 07:48 PM

Come now, surely you aren't saying Picard is not fit enough to lead an insurrection against swarms of enemies? lol

CorporalClegg · February 9 2012, 10:11 PM

CaptainMatt wrote:

Come now, surely you aren't saying Picard is not fit enough to lead an insurrection against swarms of enemies? lol

He was certainty way more fit than Frakes was by that time.

CaptainMatt · February 10 2012, 09:05 PM

Do you think Frakes ever used CGI to look slimmed down like Shatner in STVI?

22 Stars · February 10 2012, 09:24 PM

Kelthaz wrote:

22 Stars wrote:

The TNG movie formula did not serve PS well. And the odd thing is he kept pushing for things that I feel were not in his best interest! More action/dune buggy/physical stuff, instead of insisting on crafting more intelligent scripts.

It didn't serve Captain Picard very well. It served Patrick Stewart very well.

Well he isn't being paid to play Captain Picard anymore, so I guess you are wrong.

Kelthaz · February 11 2012, 10:29 AM

22 Stars wrote:

Well he isn't being paid to play Captain Picard anymore, so I guess you are wrong.

No, I think Patrick Stewart is pretty happy with how things turned out despite no future TNG films. He made a fortune from Nemesis and he got to play the character of Picard the way he wanted to play him. I'd say your guess is wrong.

MrPointy · February 11 2012, 02:22 PM

Silent_Bob wrote:

The TNG movies felt to me like they wrote the scripts, then decided to switch all of Rikers activities with Picards.

That's actually true for First Contact.

Anyway, Picard did turn into an action hero in the movies. Generations Picard was the closest to TV Picard though. FC Picard is action hero Picard, but because the movie doesn't suck, it's relatively bearable.

davejames · February 12 2012, 03:55 AM

I wasn't crazy about the action hero thing either, but to be fair that was usually just the last act when he started running around like Rambo or John McClane.

Up until then I thought he came across very MUCH like the dignified and measured Picard of TNG. Whether he was waxing poetic about the Phoenix, getting morally outraged over the treatment of the Ba'ku, or trying to reason with Shinzon.

February 8 2012, 11:03 PM	#19
CaptainMatt Fleet Captain Location: Sector 001	Re: Was Picard a generic action hero in the movies? I have nothing aginst Patrick Stewart wanting to have more to do or more of a say in the scripts that came in by series' end or in the four features.As an earlier poster states so well, it made sense in First Contact for Picard to be at the heart of the fight against the Borg Collective as seen in that film. I like Insurrection after seeing it for the first time in years, but they were already perhaps pushing Picard in a corner of territory that may not have felt like the Picard we all know and love from the series. I don't know...just a thought to see what happens in here.

February 9 2012, 02:00 AM	#20
jayrath Fleet Captain Location: West Hollywood, Calif., USA	Re: Was Picard a generic action hero in the movies? It's all part of the TNG franchise becoming more of a "Picard and Data Show" with each film. The vision of Stewart roaring with laughter as he rocketed his space Jeep in NEM still gives me the heebie jeebies. I wouldn't mind if he had been that way during the series, but Picard the action hero was wildly out of character.

February 9 2012, 07:40 PM	#23
Silent_Bob Fleet Captain	Re: Was Picard a generic action hero in the movies? The TNG movies felt to me like they wrote the scripts, then decided to switch all of Rikers activities with Picards. In 'First Contact', i could accept that given Picards history with the Borg. Even still though it seemed far more suited to Picards particular character to be the one on the ground encouraging Cochrane to live up to his legend, while Riker kicked arse in orbit. It's even worse in 'Insurrection', who would you say of the two would be best suited at making an impassioned plea to the Federation Council? And which of the two would be fittest for leading people on a mountainous trek, fighting off waves of enemies? __________________ "Does the cold of deep space make your nipples go pointy Bowie? Do you use your pointy nipples as telescopic antennae to transmit data back to Earth? I bet you do, you freaky old bastard you"

February 9 2012, 07:48 PM	#24
CaptainMatt Fleet Captain Location: Sector 001	Re: Was Picard a generic action hero in the movies? Come now, surely you aren't saying Picard is not fit enough to lead an insurrection against swarms of enemies? lol

February 10 2012, 09:05 PM	#26
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February 12 2012, 03:55 AM	#30
davejames Vice Admiral Location: Sac, Ca	Re: Was Picard a generic action hero in the movies? I wasn't crazy about the action hero thing either, but to be fair that was usually just the last act when he started running around like Rambo or John McClane. Up until then I thought he came across very MUCH like the dignified and measured Picard of TNG. Whether he was waxing poetic about the Phoenix, getting morally outraged over the treatment of the Ba'ku, or trying to reason with Shinzon.