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Old February 7 2012, 02:26 PM   #331
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Old February 7 2012, 03:17 PM   #332
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It was a reasonably fun episode, a good try to emulate the '40s detective milieu, but the cinematography was too modern. I was spoiled long ago by Moonlighting's film-noir episode "The Dream Sequence Always Rings Twice"; that show's cinematographer, Star Trek's Jerry Finnerman, was trained by the generation of cinematographers who'd cut their teeth in the film noir era, and so he was able to replicate their approach to a tee (plus he shot in black and white). So this felt like a pale imitation in comparison. The music also felt a little inauthentic, like it was trying too hard but not really capturing what it was imitating.

I also have a hard time buying that the diary was actually written in the style of a hard-boiled detective novel. It would be one thing if they'd established that Joe was an aspiring author who'd chosen to dramatize the case in that style -- or if they'd had the diary itself be fairly prosaic and made it Castle's imagination that interpolated the Chandleresque elements. Then there's the coincidence that the case just happened to involve people who were good fits for each of the show's main characters, not just in role but in appearance, age, and ethnicity. The whole thing was just too contrived.

(Spoiler paragraph) And as soon as they revealed that the bodies in the car had been burned, I knew that Joe and Vera had faked their deaths. It was obvious for two reasons: the in-story reason, that there's no point in burning two people who've already been shot to death unless it's to conceal their identities (and it was weak writing to have none of the detectives realize that), and the metatextual reason, that after getting us to identify Joe & Vera with Castle & Beckett, it was unlikely that the writers would give them a tragic ending. Although I only realized that the elderly couple were Joe & Vera around the same time that Castle was putting it together.
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Old February 7 2012, 06:09 PM   #333
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Christopher, I think Castle was exaggerating the contents of the diary to suit his purposes. The diary was read by Rick, and we saw how giddy he was throughout this entire episode. He's also a mystery writer. He probably embellished the style of the diary for dramatic flair. We know that Castle gets carried away with things he enjoys and as for using his imagination to match up the characters with his friends is perfectly natural to me. Anyone of us would probably do that without a visual representation already available to us.

Sometimes I think you're overly critical of this show. I rarely see you type anything positive or FUN about it in this thread. As a writer yourself it would be interesting to get your perspective on things instead of just poking holes in the plot. Oh, and I'm not saying you aren't having fun watching this show but it just appears that way. I'm all for being critical when it merits it but it just seems like you don't have fun watching this show.
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Old February 7 2012, 07:27 PM   #334
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Christopher, I think Castle was exaggerating the contents of the diary to suit his purposes.
Well, yes, in the flashbacks. But there were scenes in which he appeared to be directly quoting the diary, and it was in the same hardboiled tone. My point is that if the intent was to have it be his own embellishment, they didn't do enough to distinguish his imagination from the putative content of the actual diary.


Sometimes I think you're overly critical of this show. I rarely see you type anything positive or FUN about it in this thread. As a writer yourself it would be interesting to get your perspective on things instead of just poking holes in the plot. Oh, and I'm not saying you aren't having fun watching this show but it just appears that way. I'm all for being critical when it merits it but it just seems like you don't have fun watching this show.
Well, it's definitely not as good as it was in the first two seasons. There are still fun qualities, but they're lightweight things that don't lend themselves to much analysis.
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Old February 7 2012, 07:33 PM   #335
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I do agree with you about the transition shots with the city sky lines between present day and 1947. It kind of threw things off by showing the modern day sky line then transitioning into the past. I get why they did that but it was somewhat jarring.
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Old February 7 2012, 09:52 PM   #336
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^Didn't they have at least one shot of the 40's skyline (from what looked like vintage film) in the beginning? After that, I stopped noticing.
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^ Yeah I think maybe before the theme (which was a nice touch I thought ).
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Old February 8 2012, 12:50 AM   #338
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Fun episode, though I think it would have been even better had the '40s scenes been shot in black & white. The vibrant colours in the flashbacks didn't fully immerse you in the period, I thought.
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^ Agreed with this as well.
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Old February 8 2012, 04:32 AM   #340
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Seeing Molly without the gingerness? Unacceptable.
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Old February 8 2012, 05:12 AM   #341
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^ Oooh good point, which brings me something I forgot to mention...Alexis was beautiful in that period dress.
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Old February 8 2012, 07:30 AM   #342
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But that was Castle's minds eye casting his own daughter as a moll he was thinking about banging on his desk... And clearly the secretary played by his mother thought that he would eventually grow tired of all these floozies and appreciate that she loves him with out reservation, you know like Ducky and Molly Ringwald from Pretty in Pink...

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Old February 8 2012, 08:16 AM   #343
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But that was Castle's minds eye casting his own daughter as a moll he was thinking about banging on his desk...
I don't remember anything about Joe wanting to have sex with the "sister." His first reaction to her was that she was a hick.

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It was a reasonably fun episode, a good try to emulate the '40s detective milieu, but the cinematography was too modern.
I really don't think that's a reasonable complaint. It obviously wasn't trying to imitate old-style cinematography, so why hold that against it? Or compare it to an episode of a TV show that aired a generation ago that it has nothing in particular to do with? Its goal wasn't to re-create every aspect of the old film noir genre, its goal was to play with it and have some fun. Being upset that the cinematography was too modern is like being upset it wasn't filmed in black and white.

I also have a hard time buying that the diary was actually written in the style of a hard-boiled detective novel. It would be one thing if they'd established that Joe was an aspiring author who'd chosen to dramatize the case in that style -- or if they'd had the diary itself be fairly prosaic and made it Castle's imagination that interpolated the Chandleresque elements. Then there's the coincidence that the case just happened to involve people who were good fits for each of the show's main characters, not just in role but in appearance, age, and ethnicity. The whole thing was just too contrived.
Well, yes, it's contrived. It's an excuse to goof around and have some fun, not an attempt to win an Emmy for Most Sophisticated Writing Evah. You either accept the creative conceit -- "We're just going to have some fun with this and not worry about plausibility" -- or you don't.
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Old February 8 2012, 08:27 AM   #344
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He looked at her feet longingly.

He looked at her feet and remembered what sort of shoes she was wearing.

Flynn was either gay, or he wanted to fuck her.

Of course Castles minds eye was casting parts before he truly understood what those roles entailed.

The producers however have no such defence.
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He looked at her feet longingly.
Well, I detected no longing in his look.

He looked at her feet and remembered what sort of shoes she was wearing.

Flynn was either gay, or he wanted to fuck her.
Or he doesn't fit your preconceived stereotypes about heterosexual men and footwear.
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