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Old February 6 2012, 08:40 PM   #331
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Re: The OFFICIAL STNG Next Level Bluray watch and review thread

That's weird, the point of TOS-R was to make it look like "what if they had CG in the 60s?" Hence the lack of ultra detailed super close ups or crazy zoom outs.

Personally, I'd love to see what the Q, Who scene looks like, as is. Although I wouldn't object to compositing in some crew members freaking the fuck out inside the beam though.
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Old February 6 2012, 08:53 PM   #332
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I still remember that the first TOS-R episode that I saw was recorded to DVD from analog cable and a friend and I were just floored at how well and how close to a physical model the CGI Enterprise and planet in "Naked Time" looked. At first my friend couldn't even believe that the episode had been recorded off of analog cable, and he kept saying that I must've recorded it off of digital cable or satellite. But at the time I only had analog cable.
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Old February 6 2012, 08:53 PM   #333
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I generally liked the CGI in TOS-R, but I do still think they got a little too flashy and show-offy with some of those new shots. All those beautiful flyovers, space battles, and ringed planets just felt like they belonged more on VOY or ENT than 1960s Star Trek.
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Old February 6 2012, 08:56 PM   #334
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I had time to watch part of "Inner Light." I'd seen the screenshot of the CGI Enterprise that opens the episode, and I honestly thought it looked pretty good.

It doesn't. Absolutely horrendous. Very obviously CGI and just doesn't work the way the CGI shots of "Farpoint" did. Fortunately, it seems these shots will be few and far between. I hope.
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I generally liked the CGI in TOS-R, but I do still think they got a little too flashy and show-offy with some of those new shots. All those beautiful flyovers, space battles, and ringed planets just felt like they belonged more on VOY or ENT than 1960s Star Trek.
The new FX for "Galileo Seven" were horrid. It looked like scenes from a Star Trek video game. I thought the FX team did some really good work, but the scenes they talked up the most and were seemingly the most proud of were, IMO, some of the worst scenes.
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Old February 6 2012, 09:23 PM   #335
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That's weird, the point of TOS-R was to make it look like "what if they had CG in the 60s?" Hence the lack of ultra detailed super close ups or crazy zoom outs.
No it wasn't. It was to replace the shots with near identical ones that looked as much like a model as possible. Then some vocal fans complained incessantly that they wanted more variety until Okuda had another model built that they could maneuver more and they essentially started experimenting with it, producing shots that were outside of the experience of the people they hired.
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Old February 6 2012, 10:47 PM   #336
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You realize, I'm sure, that "canon" need not exclusively refer to religious institutions like pretty much all words canon has more than one definition one being a body of fiction accepted to be "official."
If you're sure I realize it then why write this post?
You're saying you don't wish to make this a "religious debate" left me dubious.
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Old February 6 2012, 11:28 PM   #337
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I'm not sure I'm going to bother with seasons 1 or 2, but Give Season 3. That's the season I really got into TNG.
The rational person in me says most of the good episodes are in seasons 3 through 5; the spendthrift completist in me says I must have them all. I wonder which one will win.
I'd have Seasons 1 & 2 over 6 & 7 every time Some great pure sci-fi cheese in S1&2 - pure Roddenberry Trek and I enjoy it - thoroughly entertaining Sure there are some stinkers mixed in but I don't have to watch those do I S1 and 2 focused more on action & adventure rather than the calm, controlled, formal, dialogue driven, technobabble bloated 'Berman Trek' TNG turned into at the end - Seasons 1 and 2 are much more fun!
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Old February 6 2012, 11:35 PM   #338
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The new FX for "Galileo Seven" were horrid. It looked like scenes from a Star Trek video game. I thought the FX team did some really good work, but the scenes they talked up the most and were seemingly the most proud of were, IMO, some of the worst scenes.
The only two things that really bothered me were the god awful green and purple planet in Mirror, Mirror, and the slightly cartoony looking ship in Balance of Terror.

Those were such great, classic episodes, and it almost feels as if they've been tarnished a bit now.

All the other changes I either like, or can easily live with.
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Old February 6 2012, 11:48 PM   #339
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I'd have Seasons 1 & 2 over 6 & 7 every time Some great pure sci-fi cheese in S1&2 - pure Roddenberry Trek and I enjoy it - thoroughly entertaining Sure there are some stinkers mixed in but I don't have to watch those do I S1 and 2 focused more on action & adventure rather than the calm, controlled, formal, dialogue driven, technobabble bloated 'Berman Trek' TNG turned into at the end - Seasons 1 and 2 are much more fun!
I love Season 6. That to me is when it felt like the writers really started to have some fun with the show. Whether it was bringing back Scotty, turning the crew into little kids, making Worf a cowboy, turning Troi into a Romulan, or letting Q be Picard's guide in the afterlife.

Maybe all that was too cute and gimmicky for some fans, but I enjoyed the heck out of it.
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Old February 6 2012, 11:53 PM   #340
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P.S. I hadn't seen this mentioned before, but there are definitely more CG Enterprise shots. At the very least, the shot of her at warp without the saucer is CG.
At first I didn't think this was true, and I don't have the blu-ray to hand to check at the moment, but going by this screenshot you may be right, the ship in that image reminds me of the way the Enterprise looks in the new opening shot of "The Inner Light"...
I double checked before mentioning it. I didn't want to be one of those "It's CG!" people if I could help it.
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I thin S1 and 2 get a lot of unfair treatment. Yeah compared to the later seasons (mostly the middle ones) they don't wholely stand-up to scrutiny but there's a lot of gems and good, fun, stuff in there and certainly plenty of beats very similar to TOS.
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Old February 7 2012, 12:02 AM   #342
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S1-2 of TNG did have some clasinc episodes. "Q Who"
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Old February 7 2012, 12:05 AM   #343
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I had to download them due to my PS3 being broken, but jesus christ, it's so BEAUTIFUL. I'll definitely pony up the cash when season 2/3/4 come out.
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Old February 7 2012, 12:09 AM   #344
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I'm not sure I'm going to bother with seasons 1 or 2, but Give Season 3. That's the season I really got into TNG.
The rational person in me says most of the good episodes are in seasons 3 through 5; the spendthrift completist in me says I must have them all. I wonder which one will win.
I'd have Seasons 1 & 2 over 6 & 7 every time Some great pure sci-fi cheese in S1&2 - pure Roddenberry Trek and I enjoy it - thoroughly entertaining Sure there are some stinkers mixed in but I don't have to watch those do I S1 and 2 focused more on action & adventure rather than the calm, controlled, formal, dialogue driven, technobabble bloated 'Berman Trek' TNG turned into at the end - Seasons 1 and 2 are much more fun!
Well I'll be getting all the seasons when they come out, but with TNG I've always found that the series was really good until "Chain of Command", but then after the Christmas 1992 break, and DS9 started, I found that some episodes, such as "Pegasus", "Second Chance" & "Masks" stood up way better than the other episodes of late-Season 6 & 7. Unfortunately I also found that Voyager suffered the same fate, but with Voyager it started just after Kes left the ship the first time. With both series it seemed like they "put their feet up on their desk " and just went on the inertia they had built up in the earlier seasons.
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Old February 7 2012, 01:11 AM   #345
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That's weird, the point of TOS-R was to make it look like "what if they had CG in the 60s?" Hence the lack of ultra detailed super close ups or crazy zoom outs.
No it wasn't. It was to replace the shots with near identical ones that looked as much like a model as possible. Then some vocal fans complained incessantly that they wanted more variety until Okuda had another model built that they could maneuver more and they essentially started experimenting with it, producing shots that were outside of the experience of the people they hired.

I got my words wrong. They said it was to build on the style of the 60s, not what if the 60s had CG.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...GqQj_Nc#t=550s

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