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Old February 5 2012, 01:23 AM   #286
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Absolutely loved that shot in Sins of the Enterprise coming out of warp, with the rainbow streaks twisting around it.

I know it was used a lot in later seasons, but don't remember it this early, or with this particular shot of the ship.
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Old February 5 2012, 01:28 AM   #287
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Absolutely loved that shot in Sins of the Enterprise coming out of warp, with the rainbow streaks twisting around it.

I know it was used a lot in later seasons, but don't remember it this early, or with this particular shot of the ship.
That is very nice
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Old February 5 2012, 03:17 AM   #288
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So I just travelled nearly 25 years back in time

I just couldn't resist. Found myself in Target today and picked 'er up. As good if not better than all the descriptions!! From the moment the preview started, I just couldn't take my eyes off the screen. The color. The detail. I've never felt Farpoint was as weak as some say. My impression may be bathed in nostalgia, but I just enjoyed the hell out of this episode and it immediately brought me back to my first viewing in 1987 when I watched the show twice in a row (my family had gotten a VHS recorder only a few years before)

Storywise, I find the inclusion of Q to be vital. There is a point counter-point between Picard and the crew finding clues to the mystery of Farpoint Station and Q's interjections, some helpful, some instigatory. There are wonderful character moments throughout and some fantastic dialog. Far from the 'blandness' that some complain of when referencing TNG.

Music cues are often excellent, especially the foreboding sting that accompanies the arrival of the mysterious ship. The sound mix was quite satisfactory throughout, emphasizing certain sound fx that I had failed to notice (someone had mentioned the sound of the power generators outside Zorn's office)

The visuals are just phenomenal. The filmic quality is astounding. Although the white dust flecks are noticeable, I would hardly call them a distraction. I have yet to view the other 2 episodes, so have no idea if the problem is present in them as well. The ship looks incredible, as do the uniforms and even the sets. Detail is phenomenal and I'm sure I'll be noticing more tid-bits (and minor goofs) as I rewatch.

Items of interest (in no particular order):
--The ship, OMG THE SHIP looks AMAAAAZING!!!
--When Picard and Data are defining the word 'snoop' there seems to be an odd bit of carpet near the base of the Ops station (perhaps hiding a power cord)
--I'm quite curious how Q's force field effect was created, as comparison shots seem to indicate it is the original effect (not a CGI recreation) I had always assumed it was early CGI or animation of the time
--Enterprise's main impulse engine remains lit even when 'full stop' is ordered (this remains true and consistent for when the star drive section is recaptured)
--The titles. I really don't like the quotation marks. Perhaps the comparison shots from "Inner Light" on the other thread prejudiced me, but for the title and the character credits of "Zorn" and "Q", the un-italicized quotes just look cheap.
--Picard's Ready Room off the Battle Bridge. Very cool little set, not seen again on the series (I believe) Really like the curved wall and angled ceiling.
--Tasha looks veeery good in her uniform
--Troi also looks quite good in hers. I don't mind the skant at all, and the color suits her wonderfully
--First shot of the separation sequence (before the sep itself) Is that the same matte of the Enterprise as scene in Sins of the Father? Looks very familiar to the screen caps, but I haven't compared it myself
--Q's judges robe is fantastic, as is his practical 'throne'
--O'Brien --Er, sorry, Conn Officer is 'Da Man!'
--When Riker calls the ship to be beamed up, he seems to 'double tap' his communicator
--When Troi complains of feeling 'pain' down in the tunnels, she seems to de-activate her communicator half way through, and yet Riker still calls to her to let her know he's coming.
--Matte painting of the planet is fantastic. I really don't mind the repetition.
--Bandi city under fire looks quite good
--Admiral McCoy!!! Awesome...
--"Lieutenant, do you intend to blast a hole in the viewer?" Great little scene all around and shows how vital Q is as a commentator

I really do like this episode. And now even more-so. I really REALLY want to watch the rest of Season 1 right now, but just know that the DVDs will be utterly disappointing!!

If it weren't so late, I would immediately re-watch Farpoint as I did the night I first saw it.
Genuinely a huge nostalgia factor here, but how often do you go back to old stuff and its THIS much improved?

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Old February 5 2012, 11:01 AM   #289
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I bought the disc last Tuesday, but I still haven't had time to sit down and watch "Inner Light..."
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Old February 5 2012, 12:53 PM   #290
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The Inner Light

Watched this episode today. This completes the HD sampler, and concludes a hugely satisfying viewing experience

The grain here is more evident than in the prior two episodes, more-so during the planet sequences than on board the Enterprise. Noticeable, but not enough to detract from the overall improvement.

Notes:
--The CGI Enterprise... sigh... not as disappointing to me as some shots of the TOS Enterprise in TOS-R, but not at all up to the standards of the re-composited model work seen so far. Hopefully this will be used sparingly or improved upon.
--The fade in to the first act looks very odd. Hard to describe, but the fade is not smooth, it moves in waves of luminance. I'll check another player. Has anyone else noticed an oddity here?
--I'm really not crazy about the heavy technobabble when the probe is first encountered
--OK enough little complaints. The set design, especially the intricate doors of the city, are very impressive and contain great detail to look at
--What is it about conventional looking doors all being automated in all cultures on Star Trek? This applies to the Bandi from Farpoint as well. Just curious. (Remembers the 'primitive' culture from Errand of Mercy also having automatic doors. Should've tipped off Kirk and Spock a bit sooner)
--Noticed some small figures populating the matte of the town seen as Kamin returns from the hills (upon checking the DVD, figures were always there!! Never noticed by me in SD)
--Bridge scenes seem to be shot with more 'glamorous' edge-lighting, especially on Riker's hair
--Ahhh, the hefty 4-foot model makes its first appearance

Leaving aside some of the little nit-picks, I greatly enjoyed watching this episode. It is considered by many one of TNG's finest hours, especially for Picard, but also labeled by some "over-rated." I appreciate this episode very much, but it is not one I have re-watched that often, so while the basic story was familiar to me, I had forgotten many of the specifics. I was truly moved at the end of the story and think this is an excellent episode and a worthy (if bittersweet) conclusion to the sampler. I'll be interested to see if the increased grain is evident on more episodes from S5. Perhaps there was a change in film stock for the show as a whole, or for the city exteriors in particular. I'll leave with a quote from Kamin:

"Seize the time. Live now. Make now always the most precious time. Now will never come again."

A very similar sentiment is repeated by Picard in Generations, but I find the phrasing and circumstances more satisfying as presented here.

Overall, very well done, CBS. Now bring on the Season Sets!!
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Old February 5 2012, 12:55 PM   #291
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Genuinely a huge nostalgia factor here, but how often do you go back to old stuff and its THIS much improved?

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Quoted for truth. The level of quality must be seen to be believed and fully understood. Watching the DVD back-to-back only reinforces the huge leap in quality here.
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Old February 5 2012, 04:41 PM   #292
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do we have to have just one question in a thread?
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Old February 5 2012, 06:04 PM   #293
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Watching I,Borg now...almost no music and no action...bottle show...but wow is this dramatic. This is what ST is all about.
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Old February 5 2012, 06:39 PM   #294
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Watching I,Borg now...almost no music and no action...bottle show...but wow is this dramatic. This is what ST is all about.
How'd you get I, Borg on blu ray?!?
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Watching I,Borg now...almost no music and no action...bottle show...but wow is this dramatic. This is what ST is all about.
How'd you get I, Borg on blu ray?!?
Doing some more DVD-Bluray picture comparisons, but I'll probably stop watching them till the next bluray. In particular the 3rd season+ credit sequence looks much more detailed on the bluray.

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Old February 5 2012, 08:30 PM   #296
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^ The Third Season credit sequence looked immense. The depth of field between the starfield the camera flies through and that nebula in the distance really stood out. As somebody else remarked upthread - the transition behind the rings of that planet is now more obvious but thats a minor point.

A wonderful, wonderful taster disc all around. There were points in EoF where I had to rewind the disc to look over the bits of detail again.

BTW, anyone notice a trim when Riker beams into the Enterprise for the first time?? As he walks off the pad into the coridoor, it might just be my eye - but I always thought the woman who was stood-behind-the-door-waiting-for-them-to-pop-open-so-she-can-walk-past (this happens a lot throughout TNG, count how many people walk past doors when they open) looked really out of place in the original. She takes a bit of a mis-step as Riker walks out before carrying on.

Looked like it had been trimmed to me to look less obvious.

Anyone else notice that?
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Old February 6 2012, 01:42 AM   #297
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Edit: idiotic post.
Never saw this one before.
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Language, dude, language ...
I'll go on record as never having had a problem with Kirk's death as shown in Generations. I agree Nemesis was poor all around, though.
I can respect your opinion I guess, but Kirk's death was totally unnecessary and reeked of a desire to "kill" TOS in the minds of the viewers. Except that he's the most legendary character in the entire franchise IMO. You can't kill off a character so engrained within it. Everything was forgivable to me (even the Enterprise's destruction) except his death.
As for Nemesis, well the whole thing was like killing Kirk 10 times in a row.
As for the picture quality, it looked pretty damn good to me. I kept hearing how it was "grainy all the way through," but it was only the planet scenes that looked that way on my TV. The scenes on the Enterprise were as sharp and crystal clear as can be.
I finally sat down to watch this episode, and I have to agree with you. It's only the planet scenes that are grainy. However, it is very heavy grain. I'm wondering if this is due to damage of the original negatives?
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I can respect your opinion I guess, but Kirk's death was totally unnecessary and reeked of a desire to "kill" TOS in the minds of the viewers. Except that he's the most legendary character in the entire franchise IMO. You can't kill off a character so engrained within it.
I don't know, I just didn't have a problem with it because Kirk was dead in the TNG timeframe already anyway, or I presumed him to be. I had no reason to think Kirk was immortal. So I never took it as "they killed him" and more as "they simply showed how he died", which I found interesting and gripping.

Now, there are also many people who are deeply unhappy with how he died in the movie, calling it an anti-climactic death, badly written, and so on. But I've never felt that, either. I thought Shatner and Stewart had good chemistry in Generations, and in their scenes together both characters were treated well and had compelling points made about them. In context of that, Kirk's moment of death, as well as his attitude and last words at the threshold, felt appropriate to me. As for the specific circumstances that lead to his death, the fight scene - well, I don't think just because the character is grand he has to die with a grand gesture. At some point you're going to get unlucky and lose a fight, even a small one. Kirk knew that, he faced it every day, and he never would consider himself above a brawl like that if it had to be done. It's all in a day's work.

I don't feel like Kirk dying in a mixed TOS/TNG movie was diminishing TOS, either. Instead: How appropriate for Kirk to die in the company of another Captain of the Enterprise. Who else could be there who could truely understand him?

Finally, I also never felt cheated out of "more Kirk" due to firmly establishing the time and place of his death. Star Trek is nothing if not malleable, there's always a way to yank a character out of his timeline and tell another story, or set a story in the past. The novels have done and continue to do it. Plenty of Kirk to go around.

Generations has numerous flaws. Some are structural, some are pacing, and it also handled a number of its characters pretty poorly. I actually think Kirk is one character it got right, though, including his death.

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