Your Love For Amok Time !!! - Page 3

Kalontas · February 4 2012, 03:56 PM

Sky wrote:

One thing that bothers me about the episode is Spock's line after they're all back on the Enterprise. The "Ah, yes, the girl" bit. Strangely dismissive and uninterested, considering she was his wife to be and almost got either him or Kirk killed. (And it's kind of jarring to hear him use the word "girl", as T'Pring was supposedly the same age as he was - they were bonded when they were 7, after all.)

I don't think it's unlikely for males to refer to females of their age as "girl". Unless both are over 40, it's rather common IMO - on Earth, or on Vulcan.

Forbin · February 4 2012, 04:36 PM

gottacook wrote:

Good gravy, all these posts and no one has yet mentioned Gerald Fried's absolutely essential contribution to "Amok Time." What great work from his pen and from the musicians as well.

It's also the national anthem of Zoidberg's home planet on Futurama!

Forbin · February 4 2012, 04:42 PM

Kalontas wrote:

Sky wrote:

One thing that bothers me about the episode is Spock's line after they're all back on the Enterprise. The "Ah, yes, the girl" bit. Strangely dismissive and uninterested, considering she was his wife to be and almost got either him or Kirk killed. (And it's kind of jarring to hear him use the word "girl", as T'Pring was supposedly the same age as he was - they were bonded when they were 7, after all.)

I don't think it's unlikely for males to refer to females of their age as "girl". Unless both are over 40, it's rather common IMO - on Earth, or on Vulcan.

Could get your ass kicked, though. I've occasionally given a firendly "Good morning, girls" at work, only to be roundly rebuked with a cold "We're WOMEN, not girls!"

That led me to start saying "Good morning, ladies." Unfortunately I run into someone who doesn't like being called "lady" once in a while. Maybe I'll just smile and nod from now on.

sbk1234 · February 4 2012, 05:36 PM

I usually just say "Good morning, Humans."

Of course, then I got the animal lover people on my ass.

Kalontas · February 4 2012, 05:59 PM

sbk1234 wrote:

I usually just say "Good morning, Humans."

Of course, then I got the animal lover people on my ass.

You should then be saying "Live long and prosper, Earth people". Hey, nobody can deny he's from Earth!

Forbin, I think at that point one notices that there's no way he will please everyone and just does whatever he feels like it. :P

Sky · February 4 2012, 06:33 PM

Yeah, it's just that Spock is usually precise with words.

(Or at least he yells THE WOMEN!!!!!! instead of THE GIRLS!!!!

)

foxhot · February 5 2012, 02:28 AM

Spock only refers to T'Pring as ''the girl'' because he's repeating McCoy's phrase. ''Ah, yes, the girl.''

Timewalker · February 5 2012, 03:17 AM

Another bit about logic: T'Pring couldn't have known that Spock would bring any friends along, so she must have changed her plans on the proverbial dime when she saw Kirk. After all, Spock might have killed Stonn. So this was a way to get Stonn without risking his life - something he didn't reason out as quickly. Oh, how he makes her pay for that insult to his masculine pride in the fanfiction!

Sky · February 5 2012, 04:50 AM

Timewalker wrote:

Oh, how he makes her pay for that insult to his masculine pride in the fanfiction!

It seems we frequent the same websites.

foxhot · February 5 2012, 01:54 PM

It's not likely canon, but weren't T'Pring and Stonn blown to smithereens on a exploding shuttlecraft in a '90s TREK DC-comic?

Forbin · February 5 2012, 04:29 PM

Kalontas wrote:

Forbin, I think at that point one notices that there's no way he will please everyone and just does whatever he feels like it. :P

I kinda did. I even got so annoyed once that I said "Act like an adult and I'll call you a woman." (and ran like hell).

Warped9 · February 5 2012, 04:36 PM

We have to remember that Spock's betrothal to T'pring was an arranged one, an agreement between their parents. In that situation Spock reveals he really doesn't have genuine feeling for T'pring other than a sense of responsibility. When his fever had passed and T'pring's character revealed it's easy to see how he'd have no further interest in her.

Interesting that Sarek managed to break tradition to marry Amanda, a human woman he clearly loved. And yet Sarek is pissed for decades because his son didn't follow his wishes and adhere to expectations. I'm quite sure Sarek raised a few eyebrows when he chose to marry an Earth woman.

T'Girl · February 5 2012, 07:58 PM

Warped9 wrote:

Sarek managed to break tradition to marry Amanda, a human woman he clearly loved. And yet Sarek is pissed for decades because his son didn't follow his wishes.

Do as I say ... not as I do.

Kalontas wrote:

I don't think it's unlikely for males to refer to females of their age as "girl". Unless both are over 40, it's rather common IMO - on Earth, or on Vulcan.

Given the male oriented, male dominated, culture of Starfleet of that time period, a culture that Spock had been living in for years, for Spock to refer to T'Pring as "the girl" seem quite likely.

Why would Spock be referring to T'Pring in a respectful way?

Forbin wrote:

I've occasionally given a firendly "Good morning, girls" at work, only to be roundly rebuked with a cold "We're WOMEN, not girls!"

I seem to get a lot of mileage out of "Dear."

sonak · February 5 2012, 09:34 PM

Forbin wrote:

gottacook wrote:

Good gravy, all these posts and no one has yet mentioned Gerald Fried's absolutely essential contribution to "Amok Time." What great work from his pen and from the musicians as well.

It's also the national anthem of Zoidberg's home planet on Futurama!

it's funny, I read that too quickly and saw it as Gerald Ford's contribution to "Amok Time."

T'Preea · February 6 2012, 12:49 AM

sonak wrote:

classic episode of course with the famous ending.
"Captain?" "Jim!" and Spock's reaction

I loved that bit. That episode was a good look into who Spock truly is as a being. I've watched it several times and it never gets old.

February 4 2012, 05:36 PM	#34
sbk1234 Rear Admiral Location: Los Angeles	Re: Your Love For Amok Time !!! I usually just say "Good morning, Humans." Of course, then I got the animal lover people on my ass. __________________ In all the history of the world, a riot has NEVER broken out at a Sci-Fi convention. "It's a fucking TV show!" - Gary Lockwood

February 4 2012, 06:33 PM	#36
Sky Captain Location: Bavaria!	Re: Your Love For Amok Time !!! Yeah, it's just that Spock is usually precise with words. (Or at least he yells THE WOMEN!!!!!! instead of THE GIRLS!!!! ) __________________ there is no other wisdom and no other hope for us but that we grow wise.

February 5 2012, 02:28 AM	#37
foxhot Captain Location: maryland	Re: Your Love For Amok Time !!! Spock only refers to T'Pring as ''the girl'' because he's repeating McCoy's phrase. ''Ah, yes, the girl.''

February 5 2012, 03:17 AM	#38
Timewalker Commodore Location: In many different universes, simultaneously.	Re: Your Love For Amok Time !!! Another bit about logic: T'Pring couldn't have known that Spock would bring any friends along, so she must have changed her plans on the proverbial dime when she saw Kirk. After all, Spock might have killed Stonn. So this was a way to get Stonn without risking his life - something he didn't reason out as quickly. Oh, how he makes her pay for that insult to his masculine pride in the fanfiction! __________________ "Let's give it to Riker. He'll eat anything!"

February 5 2012, 01:54 PM	#40
foxhot Captain Location: maryland	Re: Your Love For Amok Time !!! It's not likely canon, but weren't T'Pring and Stonn blown to smithereens on a exploding shuttlecraft in a '90s TREK DC-comic? Last edited by foxhot; February 5 2012 at 01:56 PM. Reason: Gamma Hydra Two. FOUR. Whatever.

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February 5 2012, 04:36 PM	#42
Warped9 Admiral Location: Brockville, Ontario, Canada	Re: Your Love For Amok Time !!! We have to remember that Spock's betrothal to T'pring was an arranged one, an agreement between their parents. In that situation Spock reveals he really doesn't have genuine feeling for T'pring other than a sense of responsibility. When his fever had passed and T'pring's character revealed it's easy to see how he'd have no further interest in her. Interesting that Sarek managed to break tradition to marry Amanda, a human woman he clearly loved. And yet Sarek is pissed for decades because his son didn't follow his wishes and adhere to expectations. I'm quite sure Sarek raised a few eyebrows when he chose to marry an Earth woman. __________________ *STAR TREK:* 1964-1991