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Old January 30 2012, 04:32 AM   #16
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Old January 30 2012, 05:50 AM   #17
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Re: The highlights of Nemesis

One thing really stands out to me: there is a deleted scene (just absolutely stunning that it got cut) where Data and Picard have a short conversation about life, death, and time. It's beautiful and thoughtful and would certainly have not been out of place in any of the best TNG episodes. It ends when they clink their glasses together, toasting 'new worlds'.

I recently watched all of TNG, all seven seasons plus four films, with my partner, and watching it with her let me see it with fresh eyes- I revised my opinions on a lot of episodes that I didn't appreciate as a younger man, and got excited all over again about a lot of other ones. Naturally, we watched Nemesis last and naturally it was a disappointment. But after we watched it we played the deleted scenes, and that was the last scene we watched: as the glasses clinked together I got very emotional, because the scene was really the end of our journey with those characters, and it couldn't have been more perfect for it.

If Nemesis did nothing else right, that scene will always be important to me.

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Old January 30 2012, 02:53 PM   #18
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I liked this film a lot, so for me there are plenty of highlights.
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Old January 30 2012, 03:06 PM   #19
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Off the top of my head. "The Enterprise" music.
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Old January 30 2012, 09:14 PM   #20
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Re: The highlights of Nemesis

Destructor wrote: View Post
One thing really stands out to me: there is a deleted scene (just absolutely stunning that it got cut) where Data and Picard have a short conversation about life, death, and time. It's beautiful and thoughtful and would certainly have not been out of place in any of the best TNG episodes. It ends when they clink their glasses together, toasting 'new worlds'.


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That is a great scene, probably one of the best, if it was included. I can see why they cut it, it would have slowed the pacing in the begining of the film down (not that its a bad thing) . Still, if they did include it, it would have made Data's death at the end much more connected and touching.
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Old January 30 2012, 09:51 PM   #21
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On the technical side, it was superb. Aside from what others have mentioned, the sound design was incredible. The phasers, particularly the hand guns, were very tough. Lots of strength in the beams. The sound effects were great in general.

I liked the overall feeling of family among the crew. Riker leaving wasn't just an old friend leaving the job. He was the oldest son moving out on his own with his new bride. Data, the middle son, dies and the house was gutted by disaster, but they're repairing and moving on.

The performances were all great, Jerry Goldsmith's penultimate score before his passing was excellent; the official soundtrack CD does not do it justice and neither does the epic butchering of the end credit piece. For his career and his life to end pretty much on that end credits suite is fitting. It's a beautiful send off (Looney Tunes: Back in Action was his true "last" score, but Nemesis was his final "dramatic" score). I miss Mr. Goldsmith's contributions to motion pictures a great deal.

And honestly, I liked the whole atmosphere and the fact that it didn't take place on an Earth type planet inhabited by white people in clothing from the Land's End catalogue.

I love Nemesis, always have.
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Old January 30 2012, 09:59 PM   #22
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It's been a long time since I've seen NEM, but the wedding scene felt pretty awkward and out-of-place. It seemed like something they tacked-on just for fan-wank reasons, and not to advance the plot in any way.

The space battle CGI was quite good.
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Old January 31 2012, 11:03 PM   #23
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I'm among those who find this movie so frustrating because it did so many things wonderfully well, most of them mentioned here. Even much of the basic plot idea could have worked. I actually like the idea of delving into the mysterious "Romii" world shown on the star chart in "Balance of Terror." A Romulan coup/civil war backdrop could have worked wonderfully. Picard confronting the much-younger clone of himself, who took a very different path in life that filled him with hatred and resentment against his progenitor. Riker finally leaving the Enterprise behind and moving forward to his own command, with Deanna at his side as his new bride. A meaningful, touching end for Mr. Data.

All great ideas that could have worked. Unfortunately the way they were put together just didn't gell. But wow, when I think about it, Nemesis could have been such a great film. *sigh*
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Old January 31 2012, 11:20 PM   #24
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The moral dilemma of Picards, that just what shapes us as we mature...How different upbringings are the crucible that makes us who and what we are.

The NON-highlight?...Smoke coming out of the nacelles of the E going to warp.
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Old February 1 2012, 12:12 AM   #25
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Re: The highlights of Nemesis

The Enterprise flyby just after the wedding scene.
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Old February 1 2012, 01:26 AM   #26
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The music. The scene with Picard and Riker as Riker is leaving the ship one last time. B4 humming "Blue Skies" and Picard helping him along and then strolling down the Enterprise passageway and smiling and it cuts to the Star Trek theme. Seeing the whole cast (minus Crosby) at the wedding scene.
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Old February 1 2012, 05:39 PM   #27
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The assassination of the Romulan Senate.
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Old February 1 2012, 09:43 PM   #28
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The Credits.

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Pretty much this.
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Old February 1 2012, 11:31 PM   #29
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The mention of the Dominion War and thus DS9. Ron Perlman was also very good as Vkruk.
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Old February 2 2012, 01:02 AM   #30
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The Credits.

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Pretty much this.
I was planning on being that harsh, but I can't deny that the effects for that assassination scene looked pretty neat. It's a real shame about everything that came afterwards.
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