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Old January 30 2012, 10:48 PM   #796
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Re: Does It Get Better???

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How'd you guess? I must have brought it up in another thread.
I was really curious so I went to the best Voyager episode thread, haha.


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Is it me or is a show that isn't averaging out at at least 7 or 8 an episode, that you should drop it?

However Smallville was consistently scoring a 2, and I tuned in every week.
Is there anyone who watched Smallville and didnt think every other episode was crap?
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Old January 30 2012, 10:54 PM   #797
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However Smallville was consistently scoring a 2, and I tuned in every week.
Good Lord, don't remind me.

I actually did give up on Smallville after Season 8. I just couldn't hack it anymore. I own Season 1 and 2 on DVD, though.
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Old January 30 2012, 11:16 PM   #798
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Smallville seems like the Sopranos compared tot he Four Seasons of Superboy I watched a couple months back.

Though a friend has been bitching at me about Vampire diaries for 2 years now, which I'm finally giving a fair shake.

Awful.

But my inexcusable justification for Voyager while it was airing was that they needed 26 episodes a season just to randomly make two excellent episodes by accident worth my while.
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Old January 30 2012, 11:24 PM   #799
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The problem with Harry is that he was supposed to be two things at once. On one hand, we're told that he's brilliant, graduating at the top of his class, with a gorgeous fiance waiting for him back home, and a choice assignment on the senior staff of a state-of-the-art ship right out of the Academy. On the other hand, we're told that he's green, naive, inept with women, and unready for command (even after seven years in the Delta Quadrant!).

Which Harry did you get? Whatever the episode (or, the scene within the episode) required. It's no wonder the producers couldn't remember his character's background or ethnicity; Harry Kim just wasn't a fully thought out character.
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Old January 31 2012, 12:15 AM   #800
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I wonder if everyone's parents called Janeway before the ship left earth?

"He left his clarinet behind! He left his clarinet behind! The world is ending!"

Oompa Loompa doompadee doo
I've got another puzzle for you
Oompa Loompa doompadee dee
If you are wise you will listen to me
Who do you blame when your kid is a brat
Pampered and spoiled like a Siamese cat?
Blaming the kids is a lion of shame
You know exactly who's to blame:
The mother and the father!
Oompa Loompa doompadee dah
If you're not spoiled then you will go far
You will live in happiness too
Like the Oompa Loompa doompadee do
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Old January 31 2012, 02:04 AM   #801
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It never made sense to me either, and yes, he couldn't act and should have been jettisoned at the end of season 3 like originally planned. The show would have been much better for it.

Glad you're liking Seven of Nine, she's definitely my favorite character in the show and possibly my favorite ever.

She is my favorite character ever and this gif is just wonderful.
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Old January 31 2012, 03:11 AM   #802
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Is she saying what I think she is saying?
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Old January 31 2012, 03:45 AM   #803
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Something about riding a falcon?
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Old January 31 2012, 03:56 AM   #804
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Is it me or is a show that isn't averaging out at at least 7 or 8 an episode, that you should drop it?
Ideally not a single episode would score below a 7 or 8, but 5 or 6 is an acceptable rating as well. On my scale 5-6 just means "average", which is perfectly fine just so long as there are also plenty of 7's and 8's, which there have been so far this season.

And to be totally honest, I can get some enjoyment out of Trek even when it's mediocre (except when I'm watching TOS, which was mediocre practically all the time). I'll take bad Trek over most modern TV any day. I'm sure there are others on this forum that feel similarly.
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Old January 31 2012, 05:10 AM   #805
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About TOS?

NO NO a THOUSAND times NO.

About mediocre trek being better than most modern tv? Yes. I'd go further though, I've concluded that I would rather watch mediocre sci fi than excellent other genres. Give me a mediocre sci fi series over an award winning crime or law or whatever show.
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Old January 31 2012, 06:19 AM   #806
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While we're talking about rank, it drove me nuts that in 7 years of Deep Space Nine, Bashir never got promoted to Lt. Cmdr. Nearly every other doctor we'd ever seen in Starfleet was at least a Lt. Cmdr (both Crusher and Pulaski were full Commanders), and he was supposed to be wicked smart.
Good observation! I'm betting the writers just never thought about it.
I think Bashir might have lost any promotion he got upon his revelation that he was a fraud.

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Also, thanks everyone for the info on Kim.

It still doesn't make a lot of sense to me though. I figured being a "senior" officer meant that you'd had a lot of experience in the field and you were qualified for a position of some authority. It doesn't make much sense to me for an ensign to be made a senior officer right out of the academy. Especially someone as incompetent as Kim...or maybe I'm just biased against him because the actor can't act...
I remember reading that originally the concept for Harry was that he was supposed to be a prodigy and naturally gifted when it came to engineering but due to his lack of field experience he only ranked as a Ensign. So he has a senior officer position due to him being supposedly brilliant.
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Old January 31 2012, 07:03 AM   #807
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The ship didn't even warrant a fully fledged Commander as it's XO.

Depending on which reference you hold stock to, "sometimes" they say that Voyager was Janeway's first posting as Captain, so really as far as her department heads go, she's wants loyalty and deference as much as competency and excellence, which she is more likely to get from a green kid than a grizzled veteran like "Carey".

Poor Carey.

Carey is in his 40s, it's possible he even served under Picard in 2364 (TNG Justice) and was it really that B'Elanna had more imagination, or that Carey's end game would have been XO or Captain if Kathryn hadn't so magnificently kneecapped the poor bastard in the first act.

It's amazing the man isn't bitter.
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Old January 31 2012, 07:31 AM   #808
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The ship didn't even warrant a fully fledged Commander as it's XO.
Hey, even though Trek doesn't outright say it a Lt Cmdr is a high enough rank to be the CO of a ship...
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Old January 31 2012, 07:37 AM   #809
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Wasn't there a Lt. Cdr. in charge of a Nebula class ship in "Second Sight" on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine?
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Old January 31 2012, 08:48 AM   #810
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Little ships, or unimportant ships get Lt Commanders as XOs.

Even Smaller, and more unimportant ships have ensigns or enlisted crew as the XO.

Some assignments are so low profile and rat-arsed down and out that they only warrant a Commander to be in charge of the whole kit and Kaboodle.
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