The OFFICIAL STNG Next Level Bluray watch and review thread - Page 2

Tosk · January 30 2012, 02:59 PM

What I'm really dying to know is, did they fix the edit during Encounter at Farpoint during Riker and Data's Holodeck talk? You know the one, when they walk behind a tree and Production have clearly spliced two different takes together, but the join is painfully obvious. I'm really hoping they've melded them together better in TNGR.

Hint hint, Dac. Seeing as you've watched it, can you put me out of my misery on this one?

Dac · January 30 2012, 03:02 PM

I got my copy this morning.

And wow. You thought those frames looked good? In motion there really is a stark contrast between TNG I've watched since I was a kid, to the TNG in front of me now. I love the new title sequences. Encounter at Farpoint, well, its still Encounter at Farpoint. It looks fantastic, but that doesn't make up for the clunkiness of the dialog and plot. But believe me, it does look stunning. I think a shot where the E-D rejoins the saucer and the stardrive may be another CG replacement, however I could be mistaken. The CG shot when its separating though is indistinguishable from the model shots that surround it. If this is the quality of CG were gonna get, its gorgeous.

I also watched Sins of the Father. The opening shot is likely a matte painting, because there is zero movement. The stars move, but the ships (both the D and BOP) remain dead still. It looks a little odd If I'm honest, but hey, its just the one shot. The rest of the episode looks crisp and detailed, and, well, while Sins of the Father isn't my favourate TNG episode, its a solid "average" ep in my opinion, and the HD treatment gives it a bit of extra shine to make it really engrossing.

I haven't watched The Inner Light yet, but what I have seen is fantastic. Add in the fact that here in the UK at least they included a £5 mail in rebate which essentially gives you this sample disc for free (well, £1.99) and it's a real sweet deal indeed. I can't wait for the season 1 blu rays, which according to the flyer are coming in the summer, not the fall.

Guess we don't have that long to wait then.

Asbo Zaprudder · January 30 2012, 04:01 PM

Tosk wrote:

What I'm really dying to know is, did they fix the edit during Encounter at Farpoint during Riker and Data's Holodeck talk? You know the one, when they walk behind a tree and Production have clearly spliced two different takes together, but the join is painfully obvious. I'm really hoping they've melded them together better in TNGR.

Hint hint, Dac. Seeing as you've watched it, can you put me out of my misery on this one?

I should let Dac answer that one but I didn't notice any improvement in the editing. I did notice that it's now quite obviously Brent Spiner's stunt double who leaps down to Wesley's rescue when he falls in the stream.

22 Stars · January 30 2012, 04:07 PM

Asbo Zaprudder wrote:

Tosk wrote:

What I'm really dying to know is, did they fix the edit during Encounter at Farpoint during Riker and Data's Holodeck talk? You know the one, when they walk behind a tree and Production have clearly spliced two different takes together, but the join is painfully obvious. I'm really hoping they've melded them together better in TNGR.

Hint hint, Dac. Seeing as you've watched it, can you put me out of my misery on this one?

I should let Dac answer that one but I didn't notice any improvement in the editing. I did notice that it's now quite obviously Brent Spiner's stunt double who leaps down to Wesley's rescue when he falls in the stream.

Well that was always painfully obvious i thought, the guy weighs like 20 pounds less than Brent did even back then!

Dac · January 30 2012, 05:47 PM

Can't say I noticed it. I moved my PS3 into the other room and the TV is currently in use, so I'll have to wait a lil while before I watch it again. This reminds me that I need to buy a blu ray drive for my PC. :P

davejames · January 30 2012, 06:43 PM

Dac wrote:

I also watched Sins of the Father. The opening shot is likely a matte painting, because there is zero movement. The stars move, but the ships (both the D and BOP) remain dead still. It looks a little odd If I'm honest, but hey, its just the one shot. The rest of the episode looks crisp and detailed, and, well, while Sins of the Father isn't my favourate TNG episode, its a solid "average" ep in my opinion, and the HD treatment gives it a bit of extra shine to make it really engrossing.

Interesting. I guess Okuda was right after all about that being a matte painting and not a new CG model.

Maxwell Everett · January 30 2012, 07:45 PM

davejames wrote:

Dac wrote:

I also watched Sins of the Father. The opening shot is likely a matte painting, because there is zero movement. The stars move, but the ships (both the D and BOP) remain dead still. It looks a little odd If I'm honest, but hey, its just the one shot. The rest of the episode looks crisp and detailed, and, well, while Sins of the Father isn't my favourate TNG episode, its a solid "average" ep in my opinion, and the HD treatment gives it a bit of extra shine to make it really engrossing.

Interesting. I guess Okuda was right after all about that being a matte painting and not a new CG model.

I'm fairly certain the ships we're seeing in that shot are still 3D models (in the case of the Enterprise, the same one we've seen other shots of) that were rendered together as a still image, rather than animation and possibly manipulated further by a 2D artist... hence the term "matte painting."

From Wikipedia:

Paint has now been superseded by digital images created using photo references, 3-D models, and drawing tablets.

Dac · January 30 2012, 08:18 PM

Well, yeah. I don't think it was painted, I mean it looked like a 2D shot.

Dac · January 30 2012, 11:30 PM

I just watched The Inner Light, and that opening shot did not look nice to me. Sure, its vaguely close, but the flight path is wrong (well, wrong is relative, its more to the right than it was) and it looks really CG at the end of it. They've also done away with the the Katan glow when the sun is slowly going nova. Overall the rest of the episode looks great, and in comparison to Sins of the Father the stuff on the bridge looks really vibrant and has deep blacks. SOTF seemed a tad washed out I felt.

davejames · January 31 2012, 12:09 AM

22 Stars wrote:

Well that was always painfully obvious i thought, the guy weighs like 20 pounds less than Brent did even back then!

There were a LOT of really obvious stunt doubles in the first season (like the fake Riker fighting the Admiral in Too Short a Season).

Thankfully later on they seemed to rely more on the actors, or just got better at hiding it.

Mark 2000 · January 31 2012, 12:11 AM

That's what I expected. The SOTF shot is a heavily edited, static CG render at best and the IL shot just looks bad. So, do we still want the 4 foot model erased and replaced? I'm guessing that answer is going to be more and more of a no as people get to see the footage.

Trekker4747 · January 31 2012, 12:17 AM

I'd guess the 4-Foot model can still be replaced well enough with CGI.

davejames · January 31 2012, 12:21 AM

Well didn't someone say that the team working on the season sets is different from the Next Level team? They might be making some decisions now that are different from what they did on these 3 eps.

GNDN · January 31 2012, 12:28 AM

Haven't seen it in motion, but the IL CG shot looked pretty poor in the still. Sadly this does not surprise me, and hopefully it will be re-worked before the Season Sets are released.

I'll be happy to see the 4-footer rendered in HD.

RAMA · January 31 2012, 07:07 PM

Only have seen the previews so far...nearly fell over...

RAMA

January 30 2012, 02:59 PM	#16
Tosk Rear Admiral Location: On the run.	Re: The OFFICIAL STNG Next Level Bluray watch and review thread What I'm really dying to know is, did they fix the edit during Encounter at Farpoint during Riker and Data's Holodeck talk? You know the one, when they walk behind a tree and Production have clearly spliced two different takes together, but the join is painfully obvious. I'm really hoping they've melded them together better in TNGR. Hint hint, Dac. Seeing as you've watched it, can you put me out of my misery on this one? Last edited by Tosk; January 30 2012 at 03:09 PM.

January 30 2012, 03:02 PM	#17
Dac Commodore Location: The Essex wastes...	Re: The OFFICIAL STNG Next Level Bluray watch and review thread I got my copy this morning. And wow. You thought those frames looked good? In motion there really is a stark contrast between TNG I've watched since I was a kid, to the TNG in front of me now. I love the new title sequences. Encounter at Farpoint, well, its still Encounter at Farpoint. It looks fantastic, but that doesn't make up for the clunkiness of the dialog and plot. But believe me, it does look stunning. I think a shot where the E-D rejoins the saucer and the stardrive may be another CG replacement, however I could be mistaken. The CG shot when its separating though is indistinguishable from the model shots that surround it. If this is the quality of CG were gonna get, its gorgeous. I also watched Sins of the Father. The opening shot is likely a matte painting, because there is zero movement. The stars move, but the ships (both the D and BOP) remain dead still. It looks a little odd If I'm honest, but hey, its just the one shot. The rest of the episode looks crisp and detailed, and, well, while Sins of the Father isn't my favourate TNG episode, its a solid "average" ep in my opinion, and the HD treatment gives it a bit of extra shine to make it really engrossing. I haven't watched The Inner Light yet, but what I have seen is fantastic. Add in the fact that here in the UK at least they included a £5 mail in rebate which essentially gives you this sample disc for free (well, £1.99) and it's a real sweet deal indeed. I can't wait for the season 1 blu rays, which according to the flyer are coming in the summer, not the fall. Guess we don't have that long to wait then.

January 30 2012, 05:47 PM	#20
Dac Commodore Location: The Essex wastes...	Re: The OFFICIAL STNG Next Level Bluray watch and review thread Can't say I noticed it. I moved my PS3 into the other room and the TV is currently in use, so I'll have to wait a lil while before I watch it again. This reminds me that I need to buy a blu ray drive for my PC. :P

January 30 2012, 08:18 PM	#23
Dac Commodore Location: The Essex wastes...	Re: The OFFICIAL STNG Next Level Bluray watch and review thread Well, yeah. I don't think it was painted, I mean it looked like a 2D shot.

January 30 2012, 11:30 PM	#24
Dac Commodore Location: The Essex wastes...	Re: The OFFICIAL STNG Next Level Bluray watch and review thread I just watched The Inner Light, and that opening shot did not look nice to me. Sure, its vaguely close, but the flight path is wrong (well, wrong is relative, its more to the right than it was) and it looks really CG at the end of it. They've also done away with the the Katan glow when the sun is slowly going nova. Overall the rest of the episode looks great, and in comparison to Sins of the Father the stuff on the bridge looks really vibrant and has deep blacks. SOTF seemed a tad washed out I felt.

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January 31 2012, 12:11 AM	#26
Mark 2000 Commander Location: San Francisco	Re: The OFFICIAL STNG Next Level Bluray watch and review thread That's what I expected. The SOTF shot is a heavily edited, static CG render at best and the IL shot just looks bad. So, do we still want the 4 foot model erased and replaced? I'm guessing that answer is going to be more and more of a no as people get to see the footage. __________________ I didn't make Klingon Propaganda, I was sent it from the depths of space. I did, however, make everything at Bad Monkey Studios.

January 31 2012, 12:17 AM	#27
Trekker4747 To boldly go... Location: Kansas City	Re: The OFFICIAL STNG Next Level Bluray watch and review thread I'd guess the 4-Foot model can still be replaced well enough with CGI. __________________ Just because it's futuristic doesn't mean it's practical.

January 31 2012, 12:21 AM	#28
davejames Vice Admiral Location: Sac, Ca	Re: The OFFICIAL STNG Next Level Bluray watch and review thread Well didn't someone say that the team working on the season sets is different from the Next Level team? They might be making some decisions now that are different from what they did on these 3 eps.

January 31 2012, 12:28 AM	#29
GNDN Commodore Location: Geosyncrhonous orbit over NJ	Re: The OFFICIAL STNG Next Level Bluray watch and review thread Haven't seen it in motion, but the IL CG shot looked pretty poor in the still. Sadly this does not surprise me, and hopefully it will be re-worked before the Season Sets are released. I'll be happy to see the 4-footer rendered in HD. __________________ "It’s like we’ve set up Khan* as some perfect ex-girlfriend/boyfriend who dumped us a long time ago, and we compare everyone we date to Khan. We’ll never be happy if we do this!"* - Ryan Britt

January 31 2012, 07:07 PM	#30
RAMA Vice Admiral Location: NJ, USA	Re: The OFFICIAL STNG Next Level Bluray watch and review thread Only have seen the previews so far...nearly fell over... RAMA __________________ “Most people do not listen with the intent to understand; they listen with the intent to reply.”—Stephen R. Covey