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Old January 20 2012, 07:03 PM   #796
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Sigh, just for once I'd like it is a Bond girl didn't say "I'm a new kind of Bond girl, more 007's equal" in her interviews...face it, love, you're there to look pretty, probably shag 007 and possibly die a horrible death...
Yeah I have to agree that line is really old. If one actually watches the Bond movies, the whole "more 007's equal" thing actually dates back damn near to day one. Pussy Galore, Tracey, Anya, Holly Goodhead (that's two high-ranking female 00-equivalents in a row), Melina Havelock (who actually beats Bond to an assassination), Octopussy, Pam Bouvier (another spy), Michelle Yeoh's character in Tomorrow Never Dies, and (like her or hate her) Jinx. I'd include Vesper too, though more in the verbal side of things since her character isn't depicted as a killer.

So, really, the stereotype was busted ages ago (heck, a case can even be made for Honey Ryder). And was destroyed forever when M became a woman.
Amen. Much as the feminists like to whine about how "demeaning" the Bond girls are...in reality, Bond girls are as a rule pretty darn empowered. And have been, since Dr. No. And it's not just Honey. Sylvia Trench (the girl who plays baccarat in the legendary "Bond--James Bond" scene) was confident, and highly capable (she somehow managed to get into Bond's apartment!).


As it stands, I'm reminded of the commercial where the voice of M asks Daniel Craig's Bond, "Are we equals, 007?" etc.

Frankly, I'd have had, after the camera pulls into a close-up, and M asks the question again, "Are we equals, 007?"...Bond replies, "No, Ma'am. You're my boss...."


Now what I would like to see is for them to put their cards on the table and pair 007 up with 008 and make 008 a woman, perhaps a more experienced 00, maybe even older than Bond. Basically think M but 20 years younger. Now THAT would break the mould and give us a Bond "girl" equal to 007.

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Hmm...but still attractive, of course?

Someone give a good look to, say, Nicole de Boer....
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Old January 21 2012, 03:35 AM   #797
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Sigh, just for once I'd like it is a Bond girl didn't say "I'm a new kind of Bond girl, more 007's equal" in her interviews...face it, love, you're there to look pretty, probably shag 007 and possibly die a horrible death...
Yeah I have to agree that line is really old. If one actually watches the Bond movies, the whole "more 007's equal" thing actually dates back damn near to day one. Pussy Galore, Tracey, Anya, Holly Goodhead (that's two high-ranking female 00-equivalents in a row), Melina Havelock (who actually beats Bond to an assassination), Octopussy, Pam Bouvier (another spy), Michelle Yeoh's character in Tomorrow Never Dies, and (like her or hate her) Jinx. I'd include Vesper too, though more in the verbal side of things since her character isn't depicted as a killer.

So, really, the stereotype was busted ages ago (heck, a case can even be made for Honey Ryder). And was destroyed forever when M became a woman.
Amen. Much as the feminists like to whine about how "demeaning" the Bond girls are...in reality, Bond girls are as a rule pretty darn empowered. And have been, since Dr. No. And it's not just Honey. Sylvia Trench (the girl who plays baccarat in the legendary "Bond--James Bond" scene) was confident, and highly capable (she somehow managed to get into Bond's apartment!).
One of my all-time favorites, if not the all-time favorite, has to be Kissy Suzuki. That one climbed a volcano, went down again, swam to mainland while being shot at from a helicopter, got reinforcements, climbed that volcano again, climbed down into the secret SPECTRE lair inside of the volcano on a rope, kicked a lot of henchman-ass, all the while only clad in a bikini after dark when it had to be freezing outside (especially in the water) and still had enough power to get on with Bond in that rubber raft.

Let's see some of those "007's equals" beat that.
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Old January 21 2012, 05:01 AM   #798
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My personal favorite Bond Girl is Domino in Thunderball. An innocent soul, who even after being tortured by Largo--still saves Bond's neck, blasting the scum into the next life.

Read again: the girl saves Bond--as opposed to the typical other-way-around.
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Old January 21 2012, 02:35 PM   #799
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It's time for Judi Dench to become the Bond girl. For Queen and country, James!
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Old January 22 2012, 12:02 AM   #800
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Only if Bond is played by someone comparatively mature.

Gary Oldman, perhaps? His character in Tinker Tailor is an old, retired MI6 veteren....
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Old January 22 2012, 10:51 PM   #801
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Now what I would like to see is for them to put their cards on the table and pair 007 up with 008 and make 008 a woman, perhaps a more experienced 00, maybe even older than Bond. Basically think M but 20 years younger. Now THAT would break the mould and give us a Bond "girl" equal to 007.
Hmm...but still attractive, of course?
Two words: Helen Mirren.

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Old January 23 2012, 04:39 AM   #802
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Again, while certainly hot for her age, too old for Daniel Craig. Good for Gary Oldman.


Hmm...Cate Blanchett, perhaps?
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Old January 23 2012, 07:01 PM   #803
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Again, while certainly hot for her age, too old for Daniel Craig. Good for Gary Oldman.


Hmm...Cate Blanchett, perhaps?
Yes, definitely.

On a different topic, I just read an interesting quote from Daniel Craig criticizing Quantum of Solace. Despite its popularity at the box office, I think it's fair to say the film isn't exactly the most popular Bond among fans. (I thought it was fine, but then I consider Casino Royale and QoS to be one single film so I never really bother to judge QoS based on its own merits.) What I've never heard before is the fact Craig says the film was lesser (for lack of a better term) due to the 2007 writers strike preventing the script from being polished properly. He makes the statement (warning: adult language) in this interesting article:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1223315.html

Based on that we should be thankful he came back for Skyfall.

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Old January 23 2012, 08:03 PM   #804
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To be honest I think it's pretty clear QoS's script needed a polish, and I like it! That said I like the rough and raw quality it has, I do wonder what it might have been like though.
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I never saw a problem with QoS except for the cinematography and editing during the action scenes. Horrible use of shaky cam and fast cuts.
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Old January 24 2012, 05:54 AM   #806
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Yep. QoS was, without a doubt, one of the most fast-paced films I have EVER seen. The first time I saw it, I frankly found it at times incomprehensable--and when it ended, I found myself thinking, "What--wait. It's over? Already?"

The second time I saw it, I understood what was going on a lot more--and loved it.

Look...films shouldn't do that--require a second viewing to like it. I think it did require a good amount of polish...and they needed different camera work. It jerked way too much--it cut way too quickly--please keep it FOCUSED...so we can understand what the heck is going on!
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Old January 24 2012, 09:40 AM   #807
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I'm no fan of the jerky Bourne action scenes, but I found I acclimatised to QoS quite early on, it might have helped that it was Bond I guess, and I loved that after Casino royale which went on and on and on, it's nice to have a short, snappy 007 flick. I'm hoping SkyFall falls(ahem) between the two in terms of pacing.

I didn't have any huge problem understanding the crux of the story myself, just a shame they couldn't shine it up a bit.
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Look...films shouldn't do that--require a second viewing to like it.
I don't know - there are many films I find I liked more the second or third time around. I think that actually adds to the rewatchability. QoS also works better when watched back to back with Casino Royale. A great non-Bond example was Avatar, which I didn't like at all the first time I saw it (even discounting my dislike of the 3-D), but enjoyed quite a bit more when I saw it a second time on (2-D) Blu-ray.

I agree I'm not a huge fan of the shaky camera or the super-fast edits, but apparently that's what lots of young viewers want now. Blipverts are real and they're coming. One of the worst offenders was the trailer for The Avengers that ran at the end of Iron Man 2. I was completely unable to process most of it because of the fast cuts.

Bond films have always reflected the trends of the times. Watch Live and Let Die and then watch a Pam Grier movie of the same era - no diff. Spy Who Loved Me had a disco soundtrack. Moonraker was made as a direct response to Star Wars. A main selling point of The Living Daylights was the film was going to feature an (almost) monogamous Bond in response to the AIDS epidemic - not kidding, look it up. Die Another Day featured an action-hero Bond girl around the same time things like the Tomb Raider, Underworld and Resident Evil films were taking off (and that's a great example of tastes dictating the series because the Jinx spin-off was cancelled when Tomb Raider 2 underperformed at the box office). Casino Royale capitalized on the huge rise of popularity for Texas Hold'em poker in the first half of the 2000s. And Quantum was a response to the Bourne/24 style of filmmaking.

Now it's had that out of its system Skyfall will probably reflect new trends (not to mention the fact I assume the thing will be in 3-D, unfortunately).

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^Not to mention that TWSLM featured a shark and a villain called Jaws a year or two after Spielberg's Jaws, while TMWTGG had martial artists, in the wake of the Bruce Lee craze.
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Plus Bond uses a .44 magnum in Live and Let Die which came out maybe a year after Dirty Harry?
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