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Old January 18 2012, 10:19 PM   #616
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I thought the ending, with Kes leaving the ship and transforming, felt a bit rushed, but it was still effective.
I liked it back when I first saw it.

Since that time, I've come to realize that the ending is such a blatant rip-off of the ending of Babylon 5's "Mind War" that it's not even funny. They could have at least tried to hide it....
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Old January 18 2012, 10:20 PM   #617
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I thought the ending, with Kes leaving the ship and transforming, felt a bit rushed, but it was still effective.
I liked it back when I first saw it.

Since that time, I've come to realize that the ending is such a blatant rip-off of the ending of Babylon 5's "Mind War" that it's not even funny. They could have at least tried to hide it....
Well, it's not like anybody was hunting Kes down.
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Old January 18 2012, 10:54 PM   #618
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Re: Does It Get Better???

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I thought the ending, with Kes leaving the ship and transforming, felt a bit rushed, but it was still effective.
I liked it back when I first saw it.

Since that time, I've come to realize that the ending is such a blatant rip-off of the ending of Babylon 5's "Mind War" that it's not even funny. They could have at least tried to hide it....
Actually, it was more like TNG's "Transfigurations"...which had the plot of "Mind War" before B5 did it.
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Old January 18 2012, 11:38 PM   #619
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I thought the ending, with Kes leaving the ship and transforming, felt a bit rushed, but it was still effective.
I liked it back when I first saw it.

Since that time, I've come to realize that the ending is such a blatant rip-off of the ending of Babylon 5's "Mind War" that it's not even funny. They could have at least tried to hide it....
Actually, it was more like TNG's "Transfigurations"...which had the plot of "Mind War" before B5 did it.
One of the few TNG episodes I haven't seen. However, I wasn't referring to the plot of the episodes in question, so much as the lifting of the final scene in the episode.
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Old January 19 2012, 12:23 AM   #620
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But that was also the ending of "Transfigurations", where the hunted guy becomes a powerful energy being who ends the immediate conflict and bids a happy farewell to the crew for what they did for him.
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Old January 19 2012, 12:27 AM   #621
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But that was also the ending of "Transfigurations", where the hunted guy becomes a powerful energy being who ends the immediate conflict and bids a happy farewell to the crew for what they did for him.
It's hard to comment on the visual effect since I haven't seen the episode. Does the dialog mention a gift?
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Old January 19 2012, 12:52 AM   #622
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But that was also the ending of "Transfigurations", where the hunted guy becomes a powerful energy being who ends the immediate conflict and bids a happy farewell to the crew for what they did for him.
What about the transfiguration scene from "Star Trek: The Motion Picture"? Circa 1979. Our young Captain's transfiguration saved the Earth by mating with the poweful being threatening the planet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD1_E...tailpage#t=41s








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Old January 19 2012, 02:46 AM   #623
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But that was also the ending of "Transfigurations", where the hunted guy becomes a powerful energy being who ends the immediate conflict and bids a happy farewell to the crew for what they did for him.
It's hard to comment on the visual effect since I haven't seen the episode. Does the dialog mention a gift?
No, but he teleports the guys attacking the Enterprise away and thanks them for protecting him.
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Old January 19 2012, 03:47 AM   #624
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I thought the ending, with Kes leaving the ship and transforming, felt a bit rushed, but it was still effective.
I liked it back when I first saw it.

Since that time, I've come to realize that the ending is such a blatant rip-off of the ending of Babylon 5's "Mind War" that it's not even funny. They could have at least tried to hide it....
Probably because they're imitating the X-Men's "Phoenix Saga" which predates all of that. You know, the young girl telepath who is transformed into a powerful psychotenetic who saves everyone by sacrificing herself and flies into the sun.
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Old January 19 2012, 03:51 AM   #625
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I've seen lots of his posts and they are not all that funny. He is crude.
That's why he's funny.
I find him a refreshing mix of Dennis Miller & Dennis Leary.
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Old January 19 2012, 06:21 AM   #626
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How vile. Must all your posts be that way, Guy?
Probably?

So imagine you're in an eva suit adrift in open space. Your ship is no where in sight. You're running out of air. You're going to die. And then the girl in the spacesuit 2 feet away holding your hand says "Don't you know I love you, it's always been you."

What exactly do you think is going to happen for the next 4 hours before you're rescued or die?

Yes, I'm disgusting, yes I'm not funny, I have no illusions, but in what outrageous mirror universe do we think that Tom and B'Elanna didn't "try" to consumate their new relationship "somehow" rather than just wait to die?

And that's my proccess.

Of course, it's a lie to say no one could hear whatever they were doing.

Maybe a game of Trivia?

But the computers in their eva suits would have complete logs of everything they "said" from start to finish of thier adventure.

Sigh.

UNless they erased their logs.

Then Tuvok would ask why exactly that happened?

Such a can of worms.
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Old January 19 2012, 01:08 PM   #627
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I thought the ending, with Kes leaving the ship and transforming, felt a bit rushed, but it was still effective.
I liked it back when I first saw it.

Since that time, I've come to realize that the ending is such a blatant rip-off of the ending of Babylon 5's "Mind War" that it's not even funny. They could have at least tried to hide it....
Probably because they're imitating the X-Men's "Phoenix Saga" which predates all of that. You know, the young girl telepath who is transformed into a powerful psychotenetic who saves everyone by sacrificing herself and flies into the sun.
Once again, not referring to the generic human-becomes-energy-being plot.

I'm referring to the specific way the scene plays out in two particular episodes. It's almost identical, specifics of set design and FX technology aside.
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Old January 19 2012, 01:32 PM   #628
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been a while since you've read the classic death of the Phoenix Exodus.

Jean had been neutered by Shi'are surgeons, where after she was nailed by an automated defence system while Lillandra was playing silly buggers with the X-Men on the Blue Area of the Moon. She walked into a death ray, sacrificing herself because she felt the darkness inside her rising but...

Or are you talking about one of Jeans many other's deaths, or is this about Rachel?

I got bored half way through Morrisons last arc an adjectiveless.

Lundley, I was told while watching Scorpion for the first time as we were all chuckling "What the hell are the Shadows doing in Star trek?" that Voyager was using the same CGI production company as Babylon 5, for at least a short while either side of Anika's premiere.

If it was the same people doing the same SFX work, no wonder the scenes in contrast looked identically familiar?
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Old January 19 2012, 01:45 PM   #629
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Foundation Imaging did some work on Voyager and DS9 after Babylon 5 moved to in-house CGI, yes. I'm not sure exactly which seasons they did.
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From memory, I got more of a Vorlon feel when Kes Goddessed out.
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