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Old January 13 2012, 03:34 AM   #751
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^ Yeah, he was unlucky, to be fair. But he insisted, particularly on LTK, on playing Bond exactly as per the books. So no wise-cracks etc. And the audience expected wisecracks and a more cinematic 007. While Batman didn't help, this was also part of the reason for its underperformance.
I dunno, I found him to have some wisecracks in his films. However, they were in a completely different tone from Roger Moore (drier and no winking at the camera).

Personal theory: Had things been different and Dalton did a Bond 17 in 1991, people would have warmed up to his portrayal.
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Old January 13 2012, 09:29 AM   #752
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There were wisecracks in the Dalton films, but they didn't suit his drier sense of humour, Craig has been better suited in that respect.

But yeah for me Dalton had the best fusion of the realistic and fantastical elements of fillmatic 007.

Not that any Bond film, and precious few of the books were true espionage thrillers as such (FRWL definitely aside).
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Old January 13 2012, 02:30 PM   #753
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But yeah for me Dalton had the best fusion of the realistic and fantastical elements of fillmatic 007.
The Living Daylights is the best Bond film ever made. Fact! Opinion! Fact! Opinion! Up yours! Opinion!
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Old January 13 2012, 03:35 PM   #754
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Craig's look.


I want to repeat what 'Superman The Movie' writer Tom Mankiewicz once said...

Sean has the face of a bastard. Sean looked dangerous and Daniel Craig is dangerous and that’s a really good thing.
I feel Craig has got a bit of a Bastard face, he looks dangerous. He looks like someone who will frak you up.
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Old January 13 2012, 06:12 PM   #755
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^ Yeah, he was unlucky, to be fair. But he insisted, particularly on LTK, on playing Bond exactly as per the books. So no wise-cracks etc. And the audience expected wisecracks and a more cinematic 007. While Batman didn't help, this was also part of the reason for its underperformance.
I dunno, I found him to have some wisecracks in his films. However, they were in a completely different tone from Roger Moore (drier and no winking at the camera).

Personal theory: Had things been different and Dalton did a Bond 17 in 1991, people would have warmed up to his portrayal.
TLD had wisecracks but for me, Dalton's delivery of the likes of 'He got the boot' was the weakest thing about his performance. I don't remember him making any jokes in LTK (but no doubt they were there).

As I say, I like Dalton's performance, but compared with Craig's sardonic delivery, he's definitely lacking in that department.
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Old January 13 2012, 09:15 PM   #756
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I liked Bronsan's films. They were loud, splashy, silly, and, most importantly, fun. They knew exactly what they were doing and were having a blast doing it.
And did it without the "winking and nudging" that characterized most of Moore's Bond films (still my guilty pleasure, frankly).

I think Craig's Bond would play better as a constrast against the more lush, "romantic" landscape presented by the earlier films (pre-Dalton to be specific). Craig as "brute force and brutal" against the "nuanced and sophisticated" environment. But the look and feel of the actual filmmaking is as dark and harsh as Craig's portrayal.

As for Dalton's Bond. Didn't care for his "by the books" portrayal (more of the "cinema Bond" fan here), and he had the weakest scripts story wise in the franchise.

The only reason I'm glad Dalton got his gig was because he spared Brosnan having to take a black eye professionally from the terrible plots.
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Old January 13 2012, 09:23 PM   #757
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^ I think had Brosnan not been prevented from playing Bond in the 1980s by the Remington Steele contract, The Living Daylights would have been much as it is; perhaps with more humour and less grit. However, Licence To Kill was very much written as a vehicle for Dalton and to his perceived strengths. So had Brosnan been the incumbent, the follow up to TLD would have been a very different movie.
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Old January 13 2012, 09:29 PM   #758
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^ I think had Brosnan not been prevented from playing Bond in the 1980s by the Remington Steele contract, The Living Daylights would have been much as it is; perhaps with more humour and less grit. However, Licence To Kill was very much written as a vehicle for Dalton and to his perceived strengths. So had Brosnan been the incumbent, the follow up to TLD would have been a very different movie.
See, I don't think so.

It's like what we were saying a few posts up about the first part of DAD. That was really his LTK and it was probably the best snippet of Bond he was in.
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Old January 13 2012, 09:35 PM   #759
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If Bronsan was in LTK, I think the core story would have been roughly the same (Bond goes rogue to seek revenge for a friend), but the tone of the movie would have been a bit lighter.

Then again, Licence to Kill is, arguably, my favorite Bond film, so what do I know?

ETA: Then again, it is not like the plots for Bronsan's films were all that much better or worse than Dalton's. YMMV.
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Old January 13 2012, 09:50 PM   #760
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Old January 14 2012, 03:53 AM   #761
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^Eh, buff Craig looking wet and blue mood doesn't quite do it for me. I need to see more, like an action shot or you know, other people in the film

Re The Living Daylights. Literally, my husband takes an interest in pre Brosnan Bond the day before the batch is to expire on netflix! I begged him to watch TLD, but he was leary as it was 'eighties' and Dalton 'only made two'. So instead I convinced him to watch The Spy Who Loved Me. I had to defend, top Moore, top of almost everyone's Bond list, top 5 most definitely. I swore this wasn't just me. I told him my favorite was Goldfinger, but he balked at something so sixties!

So he agrees to watch TSWLM, but friggin' Instant Watch had some kind of weird sped up movements and slowed down voices and we restarted the PS3 and then it was slow time moving with sped up voices, so we just gave up.


I have From Russia with Love on blu ray coming next week.
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Old January 14 2012, 05:21 AM   #762
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Old January 14 2012, 05:21 AM   #763
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I liked Bronsan's films. They were loud, splashy, silly, and, most importantly, fun. They knew exactly what they were doing and were having a blast doing it.
And did it without the "winking and nudging" that characterized most of Moore's Bond films (still my guilty pleasure, frankly).

I think Craig's Bond would play better as a constrast against the more lush, "romantic" landscape presented by the earlier films (pre-Dalton to be specific). Craig as "brute force and brutal" against the "nuanced and sophisticated" environment. But the look and feel of the actual filmmaking is as dark and harsh as Craig's portrayal.
Well, FWIW, there seem to be implications that Skyfall will be somewhat more "nuanced and sophisticated", more "romantic", than Casino and Quantum. For one, the descriptions of the Bond girls--particularly the "glamorous and enigmatic" mademoiselle.
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Old January 14 2012, 11:40 AM   #764
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http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=32874

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Boy, Craig's really let himself go, hasn't he? Well, I suppose we all over-indulge at Christmas!







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