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Old January 12 2012, 05:01 PM   #3031
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Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely)

I don't like it when continuity is just ignored. I prefer it when someone can find a creative way to work within it. I remember when Enterprise was on, some thought that they should just ignore "Balance of Terror" and show Starfleet personel interacting with the Romulans. I never found it necessary to do that.
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Old January 12 2012, 05:23 PM   #3032
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I don't like it when continuity is just ignored. I prefer it when someone can find a creative way to work within it.
Continuity has nothing to do with the quality of a story. If it's not in the way and the writer has a hobbyist's interest in it, that's fine.
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Old January 12 2012, 05:28 PM   #3033
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Problem with Enterprise was that it pretty much made up its own reasons to break continuity just for the sake of it, to not be restrained by what is "supposed to happen." The same problems occur with ST09.

I guess in my mind that's like saying you want to write a story set in a pre-World War II era, be about things that lead up to war but don't want to worry about facts or reality and just do your own thing.

Enterprise used the Temporal Cold War thing to get around with mucking up the "past." I can forgive things like the Ferengi or the Borg episode where the name of the aliens is never known, or the aliens are there due to a future incursion on the timeline (the Borg, and First Contact.)

But there was so much interesting stuff already to explore in the pre-Kirk era Trek universe they didn't need to invent the "temporal cold war" or the BS with the Xindi or anything else. There was already plenty to do, they just didn't want their writing to be restricted.

And isn't that what creates creative writing? Being limited by what you can and cannot do?

ST09 did the same thing. There's no reason to make that universe different than the established one, there's already a lot we do not know about what happened in the TOS era, how the crew got together and all of that. So why make up this bullshit about changing the timeline, killing Kirk's dad, destroying Vulcan and all of that? Oh, because you don't want to be restrained by continuity?

Horseshit.
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Old January 12 2012, 05:31 PM   #3034
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I guess in my mind that's like saying you want to write a story set in a pre-World War II era, be about things that lead up to war but don't want to worry about facts or reality and just do your own thing.
An era that is part of reality. The endless attempts to treat that and the continuity of a fantasy world as equivalent are non-starters.

And BTW, there are stories written and set in every real time period of history that take liberties with the actual history, culture and technologies of the times. Has no bearing on whether they're good or not.

This is going to continue (heh) to be a game of Creators - 1, Continuity Freaks - 0.
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Old January 12 2012, 05:40 PM   #3035
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Discounting character arcs and events which were series-specific, I never got the impression that the Trek writers were all that concerned about the continuity other than in vague terms. Anything they referenced it, it was more of a fan-wink than anything else (DS9 did this a lot).

The only exception that I can think of is Enterprise's 4th season where they intentionally played with Trek continuity, but that was more to do with the fact that TPTB knew the writing was on the wall and went "Fuck it. Lets have some fun".

Not that I'm complaining about Trek '09's "remake, but not really" approach. It is a perfectly fine way to revitalize a franchise.
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Old January 12 2012, 06:55 PM   #3036
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Honestly, I'm not that concerned about continuity, as long as things make sense and don't draw attention to themselves. I can deal with it if a few mistakes are made, or if they ignore things as long as the stories are worthwhile.
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Old January 12 2012, 07:09 PM   #3037
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hmm Batgirl #5 was definitely a good read... intrigued at where this new storyline is leading now... but the final panel with Bruce did make me go "ohhh s#!t..." lol

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Old January 12 2012, 07:23 PM   #3038
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Honestly, I'm not that concerned about continuity, as long as things make sense and don't draw attention to themselves. I can deal with it if a few mistakes are made, or if they ignore things as long as the stories are worthwhile.
This.
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Old January 12 2012, 09:33 PM   #3039
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Honestly, I'm not that concerned about continuity, as long as things make sense and don't draw attention to themselves. I can deal with it if a few mistakes are made, or if they ignore things as long as the stories are worthwhile.
Completely agree and this is also the reason why I love the concept of hypertime. Do they still have that in the New 52?
The last time I read about it was "Return of Bruce Wayne", but I'm trade waiting, so I'm a bit behind.
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Old January 12 2012, 09:38 PM   #3040
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Dial H sounds the most interesting. But then that property had some of the best writers. Anyone remember Will Pfeifer and Dale Eaglesham's fantastic run on it?

I'll get Earth-2 and Batman INC since they have Morrison and Robinson. Rest sounds terrible.

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^ For one thing I find it hard to believe that most of the past Oracle stories are compressed into a three year period.
Morrison compressed about 70 years of Batman continuity into around 20 years of Bruce's life. I don't see how this is any different.

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Of the series cancelled I will miss Hawk & Dove the most. Not the art mind you but the premise of what they are. Just like the concept. Very surprised Captain Atom & Batwing survived the first round of cuts.
Have you read Batwing?

It's actually very well written in how Winnick fleshed out his background and his motivations.
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Old January 12 2012, 09:40 PM   #3041
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Being along time fan of the JSA, both Earth 2 and Worlds Finest are the ones that pique my interest.
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Old January 12 2012, 10:30 PM   #3042
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I know I'm a bit behind, but I'm really starting to lose interest in Action Comics. The general storyline is still interesting enough, but the writing and dialogue are so choppy and hard to follow that I often have to read every page a couple times just to understand what the heck is going on.

Next to something like the new Ultimate Spider-Man, which flows absolutely beautifully, Action just seems like a mess.
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Old January 12 2012, 10:33 PM   #3043
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Have you read Batwing?

It's actually very well written in how Winnick fleshed out his background and his motivations.

I agree ... Batwing is a solid book with a tricky central idea (child soldiers in the DC Universe).

On the continuity issue: it's not either/or when it comes to story. Continuity generates story as much as it shuts story down, but I also think it's true that continuity generates a different kind of story (smaller scale, often, and circular to some degree - continuity generates "down the rabbit-hole stories").
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Old January 12 2012, 11:14 PM   #3044
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China Mieville!?
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Old January 12 2012, 11:15 PM   #3045
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I have indeed read Batwing and enjoy it quite a bit but thought I was in the minority on that. Good to know otherwise.
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