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Old January 11 2012, 08:25 AM   #16
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^ I thought it was well known among fans of the novels that Harriet was RJ...and now Sanderson's editor. She has had I think final approval over all the manuscripts.
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Old January 11 2012, 08:37 AM   #17
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I'm just hoping I can get through the last book in the series before our own last battle this December. F**kin' Mayans.
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Old January 11 2012, 12:37 PM   #18
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I do have to say that Brandon Sanderson has done a pretty good job of wrapping up the story. The characters seem much more fleshed out than when Robert Jordan was writing, which makes the task of relating to them easier. Even Cadsuane, whom I previously cannot stand, now seem a lot more sensible and wise under Sanderson's touch.

On the other hand I do miss the way Robert Jordan is able to vividly paint action sequences and convey in loving detail what's happening on a battlefield. The battle at Dumai's Wells is the perfect example. How easily Jordan was able to convey the hopelessness as tens of thousands of Shaido surrounded the White Tower's paltry force of a few thousand when suddenly gateways appear out of no where as Asha'man pour through them, blasting away with One power as another contingent of Asha'man link up in circles to form shields of air that merge as more and more shields are patched together until a giant silvery dome protectively surround Rand's forces.

With the final battle looming, I do have to wonder how Brandon Sanderson will be able to handle the clashing of armies.
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Old January 11 2012, 10:07 PM   #19
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there have certainly been some epic battles, and Dumai's Wells was certainly the most epic
I really hope Tarmon Gaidon lives up to all the decades of anticipation

on a side note . . . am I the only one who pictures Alexander Siddig as Davram Bashere? :P
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Old January 11 2012, 10:23 PM   #20
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I did try to get into this series, but I don't think I even made it to the end of the third book...or was it the fourth? Honestly they all blur together for me so much I can't even remember what had happened by the time I lost interest. Part of the problem for me (and it's a peeve I have with several of these long running series fantasy books) is that it quickly becomes apparent that the author knows exactly how the last book is going to play out, could write it at any time but is determined to milk the story for all it's worth and for as long as possible. The thing with that is that by the end, all the drama, danger and urgency that was there at the beginning is long since spent and nothing can live up to all that build up.
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Old January 11 2012, 10:30 PM   #21
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I can totally see how that could get annoying, but for me I don't really mind all the dragging on . . . I do wish it were a bit faster paced, and Sanderson does seem to have greased the wheels a bit the last few books . . . of course I'm just beginning Gathering Storm so I have a lot of words ahead of me to see if that grease is working :P

I dunno . . . if a book is great and I love it I don't want it to end, and I'm sad when it does end. For me the WOT series its just good enough that the good outweighs the length of it . . . so my enjoyment outweighs the impatience I guess . . .
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Old January 11 2012, 10:47 PM   #22
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I tried introducing WOT to my roommate and he had a hard time getting through the first through chapters of Eye of the World and he's a pretty big fantasy fan.
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Old January 12 2012, 12:21 AM   #23
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You know I wouldn't mind all the foot dragging and lack of brevity if only there were interesting characters I could care about. In all seriousness, I can't for the life of me remember any of the main players' names, or for that matter how many there are.

I know there's the main kid who's the reincarnation of some ominously ambiguous historical figure, some other kid who was training to be a thief/minstrel/assassin/whatever with some old nobleman slumming it as a bard (who for some reason I visualised as Timothy Dalton in The Rocketeer), some non-human bloke with a thing for books and whinging as well as one or two female characters knocking around. I think one is a sort of warriror mage and another training to be one. I'm pretty sure there's one or two more young men (I vaguely recall something to do with wolves and an evil dagger) but again, I forget the details. I'm not trying to dump of the series, really, but you'd think it would have left a stronger impression than this, no?

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Old January 12 2012, 12:27 AM   #24
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That is another problem he had. I dunno. I just got right into it when I first read and was amazed at the characterization and the detail. Like you Reverend and my friend there are those who have had the opposite experience for whatever reason.
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Old January 12 2012, 04:02 AM   #25
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My biggest problem with the series is that Nynaeve is the most annoying character ever created in the history of the world.

That said, I plan to re-read the series when they're all out. I stopped aroubd book 8, the first time.
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Old January 12 2012, 04:46 AM   #26
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My biggest problem with the series is that Nynaeve is the most annoying character ever created in the history of the world.

That said, I plan to re-read the series when they're all out. I stopped aroubd book 8, the first time.
she's like the annoying big sister :P
she gets a little less annoying after she overcomes her block and gets married

one of the biggest things that annoys me is when Jordan wrote about all the ladies embroidered dresses and bosoms and pouty lips . . . there have to be better ways to describe female characters
then again, this isn't exactly fine literature

my favorites are Egwene and Perrin. Egwene has definitely changed a lot over the course of the books . . . she climbed her way up the White Tower, essentially forced by events out of her control, but she proved that she wasn't a puppet and she deserves to lead. She's shown a determination and force of will that nearly everyone else has vastly underestimated.

and Perrin I think is more interesting than Rand . . . Rand is the archetypal Chosen One. Once he accepted being the Dragon Reborn he got less interesting because the majority of his self discovery was complete. One thing that Jordan did well with Rand was giving him the wounds and the lasting effects of the taint on saidin . . . it removed most of the cliche of him being the most powerful channeler since the power comes with a price. But still . . . the whole 'Chosen One' thing has been done to death
That's why I like Perrin. he's simple.
one of my other favorites is Thom Merrilin. Most people I've heard picture him as Sam Elliot . . . Elliot certainly fits Thom's physical description, but no . . . I picture Keith David
After watching him as Max Malini in The Cape it was a no brainer. Max Malini is Thom Merrilin.
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Old January 12 2012, 04:56 AM   #27
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Another problem I had was there were zero LGBT characters. You'd think with a cast of hundreds there'd be at least one.
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Old January 12 2012, 07:21 AM   #28
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I'd have to read the series again to find specific references, but I think it is strongly hinted at throughout the series that some Aes Sedai, Wise Ones, Windtalkers, and many of the Aiel Spear Maidens are lesbians, or at the very least bi-curious.

Various Forsaken had diverse sexual appetites. And I am not sure what label would fit for Balthamel reborn as Aran'gar.

So that covers the L, B and T I guess. As far as gay men, I'm almost certain there are male characters that are at the very least implied to by gay. It has been a few years since my last reread of the full series however.

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Old January 12 2012, 01:58 PM   #29
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Yup, Windtalkers and Black Ajah do have quite a few lesbians in their ranks. Who knows the Aiel, but its known that many Spear Maidens don't take male mates and often form close relationships with each other, regularly becoming near-sisters or even first-sisters.

The men in WoT tend to fall into one of three categories. (A) soldiers, (B) Been driven mad by the taint, or (C) some mixture of solider AND madman. Yeah no idea how many are gays.
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Old March 29 2012, 01:29 PM   #30
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since I've been watching Being Human (US) I've mentally cast Sam Witwer as Rand and Sam Huntington as Mat :P
Who do you guys cast in your head when you read?
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