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Old January 11 2012, 06:58 PM   #61
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Sure. If an X-Wing can be capable of interstellar travel, the Hammerhead isn't much of a stretch.
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Old January 11 2012, 07:24 PM   #62
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Practical in basic appearance, but it doesn't look like it could carry more than 30 minutes of fuel, and certainly not enough to achieve orbital velocity from the ground! But that's the "fiction" part of the equation.
If we can accept inter-stellar travel we have to accept that. I like the Hammerhead because it could easily have been the cliched F15 Eagle style supersleek fighter but instead they went for something more practical like the A10 Warthog
More like a rocket-propelled X-29.
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Old January 11 2012, 07:33 PM   #63
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blarg! if people want to talk about "friends" make a thread.
Chill, BlackFire, it was just a tangent.

i liked all the tech in the show especially the hammerhead fighters. i did like "the angriest angel" episode, but i kinda like the episode "ray butts" more. i just think that it had the greatest death ever which in turn ties itself to a really good ending.
Others have mentioned this episode. Frankly, back then I thought the pancake thing was kind of silly, and having rewatched it I'm still not crazy about it, but yes, the final death scene was cool.

after seeing others mention the newer version of "battlestar galactica" i kinda wondered which would win in a battle, "saab" (space above and beyond) or "battlestar galactica" (new version).
You mean Saratoga versus nuGalactica? Saratoga. They're about equal in fighter and logistical strength but Saratoga has a greater array of offensive anti-ship weapons, while nuGalactica, without her planes and Raptors, is mainly a defensive platform. The exception is her tactical nukes, which we know she has but she never actually used on screen.
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Old January 11 2012, 09:27 PM   #64
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I seem to recall a scene that was probably driven by fan criticism, wherein McQueen addresses the troops: "I've heard some whining about having to be both pilots AND ground pounders. May I remind you that you are Marines, and you will do whatever you are ordered to do!"

And that was the end of that discussion!
Yes but even the Marine Corps wouldn't invest hundreds of thousands of dollars to train up a space combat pilot over quite a long time (disregarding how fast they're trained up in the pilot) only to have them serve as standard riflemen on standard missions.. it's a waste of ressources as cold as that may sound but you can find and train up a Marine far faster than to find capable people to fly fighters.

That whole thing could have been solved quite easily.. make them an experimental project.. a hybrid special force/fighter pilot for special missions that may require immediate ground action once the sky is clear. Still wouldn't be a perfect example but a better explanation than the one we didn't get.

Doesn't really matter though.. despite all the logical loopholes (and which show doesn't have a few of them) it was still an awesome show.

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after seeing others mention the newer version of "battlestar galactica" i kinda wondered which would win in a battle, "saab" (space above and beyond) or "battlestar galactica" (new version).
You mean Saratoga versus nuGalactica? Saratoga. They're about equal in fighter and logistical strength but Saratoga has a greater array of offensive anti-ship weapons, while nuGalactica, without her planes and Raptors, is mainly a defensive platform. The exception is her tactical nukes, which we know she has but she never actually used on screen.
I think you're wrong.. Galactica (and Pegasus) have taken on Cylon Basestars one on one.. they have main guns and they are powerful, easily taking out a Basestar with 2-3 direct hits.

From what i remember the main armament of Saratoga appeared to be missiles.. would be interesting to see if they can make it through Galactica's AA defences.
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Old January 11 2012, 09:32 PM   #65
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I wonder if Quentin Tarintino saw it, it rather reminds me of Lucy Liu's character's storyline in Kill Bill?
That was based on the Japanese film Lady Snowblood though.
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Old January 11 2012, 09:32 PM   #66
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Not the hybred special force. Im having flashbacks to James Brolin's Pensacola Wings of Gold.
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Old January 11 2012, 09:44 PM   #67
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the saratoga doesn't just have missile launchers and machine guns, but also has an energy cannon that runs the entire length of the ship that fires a burst every two seconds. they only show the cannon firing in the episode "sugar dirt".
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Old January 12 2012, 02:16 AM   #68
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You mean Saratoga versus nuGalactica? Saratoga. They're about equal in fighter and logistical strength but Saratoga has a greater array of offensive anti-ship weapons, while nuGalactica, without her planes and Raptors, is mainly a defensive platform. The exception is her tactical nukes, which we know she has but she never actually used on screen.
I think you're wrong.. Galactica (and Pegasus) have taken on Cylon Basestars one on one.. they have main guns and they are powerful, easily taking out a Basestar with 2-3 direct hits.
Not quite two or three shots. When they took on the Cylon fleet while attacking the Resurrection ship they bombarded their baseship targets with hundreds of rounds. Still, yes, the rate and volume of fire did eventually destroy whole baseships, so I stand corrected.

That makes a one on one confrontation with Saratoga problematic for Saratoga, which can't match the rate and volume of fire of the battlestars.

Still, it's not a huge problem, since SCVNs exist decades in the future and the last battlestar was pyramid dunked into the sun 150,000 years ago.
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Old January 12 2012, 10:26 AM   #69
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Plese forgive me if this isnt 100% accurate, as Im recalling stuff from memory here....

A couple of posters had asked what happened to the show and why it was only given one season. Expense was certainly part of that, but the show also got pre-empted a fair bit and didnt have a fantasic slot in the schedule.

At the time, Fox had another major sci fi hit on their hands that you'll most likely have heard of: The X Files. Morgan and Wong (the S:AAB creators had been writing for that show and were responsible for some of the major stories and the way the show developed. When they jumped ship and started up S:AAB, Chris Carter (daddy of the x-files) wasnt best pleased, and by all accounts managed to pull in some favours from Fox and have the show.....disrespected.
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Old January 12 2012, 02:02 PM   #70
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That's true, the show was on- Sunday night, IIRC? It was preempted for Football a LOT.
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Old January 12 2012, 04:06 PM   #71
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Plese forgive me if this isnt 100% accurate, as Im recalling stuff from memory here....

A couple of posters had asked what happened to the show and why it was only given one season. Expense was certainly part of that, but the show also got pre-empted a fair bit and didnt have a fantasic slot in the schedule.

At the time, Fox had another major sci fi hit on their hands that you'll most likely have heard of: The X Files. Morgan and Wong (the S:AAB creators had been writing for that show and were responsible for some of the major stories and the way the show developed. When they jumped ship and started up S:AAB, Chris Carter (daddy of the x-files) wasnt best pleased, and by all accounts managed to pull in some favours from Fox and have the show.....disrespected.
Chris Carter was a believer of his own hype. He seemed to believe that human conflict with aliens would only happen the way it was depicted on X-Files. (he also reportedly hated Indepndence Day for the same reason.)
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Old January 12 2012, 05:56 PM   #72
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That's true, the show was on- Sunday night, IIRC? It was preempted for Football a LOT.

Over here (IIRC) it was usually aired somewhere after 11pm on a friday night. I think it also tended to miss from week to week but I did record it every time it was on.
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Old January 12 2012, 10:11 PM   #73
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I think my station carried it on Sunday (maybe Saturday) afternoon. I don't recall it being on Prime Time or later
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Old January 13 2012, 03:41 AM   #74
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The promos in the extras on the disc indicate seven pm on Sunday...the slot that killed old Galatica! (dundundun!)
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The promos in the extras on the disc indicate seven pm on Sunday...the slot that killed old Galatica! (dundundun!)
That sounds about right, if that was Eastern Time, and the West Coast showed it at the same time (4 PM West Coast Time).

I remember watching it with a couple other syndicated or SciFI Channel shows in a 3 or 4 hour block during the afternoon (Though not necessarily on the same channel, I might've switched channels)
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