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Old October 6 2011, 05:28 PM   #46
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Re: Vesta class bridge??

Mark,

Before I move on further: my entire bridge layout is a personal idea, does not reflect the writers opinion.

1: I would go for 2, too much "specials " going on for 1 person.

2: I think that placement is important to humans, you keep an object stored on a certain location where you can find it back. The MSD probably has a standard position even if it might be able to float freely. To me that standard position would be at the rear backup lcar panels. (Centered on a 40cm high mid console)
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Old October 6 2011, 05:37 PM   #47
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1) Two stations up front for con/ops, or one? A single station seems to be more popular toward the end of the TNG era (Nova, Intrepid, Defiant..)
The Defiant had a combined con/ops console, but on the Intrepid bridge, ops is the port aft station, opposite tactical at starboard aft. (Harry Kim was Voyager's ops officer.)
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Old October 7 2011, 04:07 PM   #48
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Re: Vesta class bridge??

Yes of course. What I meant is the placement of one or two stations at the fore of the bridge regardless of function. There seemed to be a move to a single fore station in later ship designs as mentioned, with a couple exceptions (Sovereign, Prometheus) bucking the trend.

Having Ops up front never made too much sense to me... Ops is meant to feed data about the ship and sensors to the CO and other officers, they shouldn't need a prime slot to look out the window IMO.

Also, 40cm? I trip over toys that big when cleaning up after my daughter.

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Old October 10 2011, 02:47 AM   #49
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This is the kinda stuff about the books that sometimes gets to me.
Its easy to imagine the sets on the Defiant, Voyager, DS9 , D cos we saw them on screen

But they were so LAZY with the enterprise E sets, the half assed engineering, half assed quarters, voyager sickback in FC then later a sickbay that looked so thrown together ...that I find it hard to imagine the E

Ive been picturing the Aventine bridge as more like the first Excelsior bridge modernised:

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/ga...000-bridge.jpg with a stand up panel for security and tactical behind the captain like they had on the enterprise b
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Old January 11 2012, 12:24 PM   #50
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Re: Vesta class bridge??

Ok, this is my 'reimagining' of the Aventine Bridge... taking cues from what people have suggested and discussed here...



Taking a lot of cues from both the Prometheus and Sovereign class ships... as we know those two were around and designed approximately the same time as the Vesta class, so it makes sense there would be similarities between them...

More elongated design is one thing we all seem to agree on, so that what i reflected here... with a 4 tier system basically, allowing The Captain clean line of sight around the bridge and to the view screen at the very front...

To in order, from the top left to start with...

Science console far left... with Slipstream Drive Operations opposite it (Far top console)... i kept the Slipstream Drive seperate from the standard helm, as it made sense that it was a seperate engine, with different principals, it would have its own control area to bring the drive online and control it from there... destinations would still be controlled from the helm, but the operations of the slipstream drive i think would definitely need its own console...

Captain's Chair center, same level as the 'main' bridge, console to the Captain's right for access to multiple systems and control of holocommunication, with stations in front of it dropped down to allow line of sight around the entire bridge area... In front of the Captain's chair, lower level, we have the holocommunicator... I know the Prometheus or Sovereign class didn't have one, but there was at least one installed in Deep Space Nine and The Defiant refit, so i believe it was something that Starfleet would be rolling out in their newer ships...

Level down from the holocommunication station we have Tactical (Top) and Communications (Bottom)... i always thought Tactical needed to be closer to the Captain than on the far side of the Bridge where it was in the Sovereign class, and behind the Captain in the Galaxy class, so placing it in front of the Captain's area on a lower level gives the Tactical station a direct line of sight to the view screen and a prominent station on the bridge...

On the next level down with have Conn and Ops... at the very front of the bridge in front of the main dropdown

Technical and Environmental, master systems display and stuff like that, would be along the wall (bottom wall) within easy view of The Captain... Turbolift on the bottom left area, with doors to the Captain's Ready Room (Top left) and conference room (Top right)

This is still a work in progress for my imagination though... ideally i'm also thinking there should be steps down to the 3rd level (Where tactical and communications are) on either side... so people don't have to move past The Captain constantly to get in and out of the lower bridge area... with possible another console at the top middle (Between the two doors) for sensors and astrometrics...

Well, that's my design anyway... anyone like or dislike it? Comments are definitely welcome lol

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Old January 11 2012, 01:07 PM   #51
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Re: Vesta class bridge??

bit of a cleaner image with the modifications for stairs down and extra console...



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Old January 11 2012, 01:14 PM   #52
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Re: Vesta class bridge??

I like the general layout, and I really like the idea of the placement of the tactical station.

I think I might upsize the entire bridge by about 20%, though, as it seems like there isn't much space to move around. If you look at the floorplans for the other bridges, especially TNG's, there's a lot of space.

I'm also not sure what's going on in the front...maybe it's just the perspective, but it looks like there's a support brace coming right up through the middle of the viewscreen, or something.

And where does Sam go?

But that's a really solid first draft - aesthetically looks like the Aventine, some new ideas but still very Starfleet, etc. Nice work.
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Old January 11 2012, 01:18 PM   #53
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Re: Vesta class bridge??

thanks... i wasn't overly sure about the size, but i put it at about twice the length of the Sovereign class.. enough room to menouver around...

you may be right though, it might need some more 'width' to it, a bit more space between the side consoles and the barriers for the lower bridge area...

no there's not a support brace there lol... i'll edit that out... the view screen would stretch around on a 'curve' so to speak, not the basic 'flat' ones the Enterprise D and E have, giving a more 'panoramic' view around the front of the ship for both the captain and the tactical...

Sam? Remind me, only been awake an hour or so lol

thaks, glad you like it

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Old January 11 2012, 02:35 PM   #54
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Re: Vesta class bridge??

I like it - although I'd reduce the size of the "pit" in the centre, or move those steps in front of the command chair further forward - if Ezri's knocked out of her chair, and down those stairs, she might break her neck!

I'd also put something on the side walls, either more consoles or TNG-style lockers (were those lockers on the TNG bridge??)
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Old January 11 2012, 02:52 PM   #55
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Re: Vesta class bridge??

yeah... thinking the steps do need to come forward a bit... or maybe moved into a soft ramp instead... that way if Ezri falls she won't be unconscious by the time she lands lol

You mean the side walls of the 'pit' area?

I was actually thinking of those as lighting basically, so when alert status changed, the interior of the 'pit' changed as well... so with Red Alert, the entire pit would be lit up red from the walls around, if that makes sense...

glad you like it though

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Old January 11 2012, 02:57 PM   #56
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I love it! I'm going to use this as my bookmark next time there's an Aventine book.
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Old January 11 2012, 03:01 PM   #57
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thanks

still playing with it and coming up with ideas...

Any input is happily welcomed

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Old January 11 2012, 03:26 PM   #58
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Re: Vesta class bridge??

ok, bit easier to do soft blueprints than a fancy 3D thingie lol



In order...

1. Captains Chair
2. Communications
3. Tactical
4. Panoramic viewscreen (Curved)
5. Operations
6. Helm / Conn
7. Engineering
8. Turbolift
9. Science
10. Astrometrics / Sensors
11. Master systems display
12. Slipstream Control
13. Security
14. Dedication Plaque
15. Captains Ready Room
16. Conference Room
17. Holocommunications

Think that's everything... note the stairs in and out of the 'pit' on either side now, so people don't have to walk past the Captain every time to get to their station

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Old January 11 2012, 05:13 PM   #59
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^ This is all very interesting. I'd definitely suggest the steps in front of the captain's chair shift forward, and be changed to a ramp. Never know when one will need to move something large and heavy without the aid of antigrav tech.

Also not sure about the slipstream being controlled apart from the helm; monitored, yes, but the flight controller should have hands-on control for that.
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Old January 11 2012, 05:37 PM   #60
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ok how about this... a slightly elongated bridge from before, giving more room for tactical and communications by the steps leading out of the 'pit', and a curved sloping section from the Captain's chair down instead of the sharp steps previously used...



I think the slipstream drive definitely has it's own console on the bridge if i remember from the books, i'll have to doublecheck the exact details...

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