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Old August 19 2011, 12:22 AM   #76
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Re: Lucasfilm's "Red Tails" Trailer Now Online

I'm not worried about historical accuracy...much.

It's a war movie. I'll go see it cause people is shootin' bullets at each other. I'll worry about "celebration" and special effects later.
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Old August 19 2011, 01:17 AM   #77
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New trailer is out:
http://www.mtv.com/videos/movie-trai...ed-tails.jhtml

Looks pretty damn amazing, if you ask me.

Around 1:00 I notice the "Indiana Jones" vehicle explosion SFX sound.

Which is expected since this is a Lucas produced movie
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Old August 20 2011, 12:56 AM   #78
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went and saw conan today and saw the trailer and I can't wait for this to movie come out.
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Old October 15 2011, 12:36 PM   #79
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Old January 8 2012, 06:55 AM   #80
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Re: Lucasfilm's "Red Tails" Trailer Now Online

The movie will be released in two weeks. The website appears to have been updated since last I looked, and has some interactive elements to unlock content. There are also three trailers.
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Old January 8 2012, 06:56 AM   #81
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6 clips and 52 hi-res pictures

http://collider.com/red-tails-movie-...images/135814/
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Old January 8 2012, 01:17 PM   #82
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I dunno... the combat scenes look incredibly fake, and that's a big problem for me in a movie like this.
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Old January 8 2012, 07:03 PM   #83
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I dunno... the combat scenes look incredibly fake, and that's a big problem for me in a movie like this.
What about them look fake to you? This is a big argument I've heard since CG has been prevalent and no one can ever explain why they look fake, just that they do.
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Old January 8 2012, 09:31 PM   #84
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I dunno... the combat scenes look incredibly fake, and that's a big problem for me in a movie like this.
What about them look fake to you? This is a big argument I've heard since CG has been prevalent and no one can ever explain why they look fake, just that they do.
Part of the problem might be that they look too sharp and clean.

Since the days of newsreels, people have associated grainy, poorly-focused, poorly-lighted and haphazardly-composed images with reality and realism. Battlestar Galactica used exactly these conventions to give its space-travel scenes verisimilitude. It also used a lot of handheld camera shots for the same reason, in the same way that cop shows like Homicide: Life on the Street have.

Our mental image of a World War II aerial battle is strongly influenced by the old newsreel and gun-camera footage we see in war documentaries. That looks "realistic" to us, even though it looks nothing like what the pilots actually saw. For similar reasons, I personally find it jarring whenever CGI is used to show things that a movie camera could not physically film.

To me, the stills and air-combat footage from this film look more like paintings or animation than "realistic" air battles. Even though personally, I've never seen a real-life aerial battle, even from a distance. Even if you could prove to me that these pictures were realistic as hell--and I'm not saying they are--they still wouldn't look "right."

TV Tropes calls this problem Reality is Unrealistic.
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Old January 8 2012, 11:15 PM   #85
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I dunno... the combat scenes look incredibly fake, and that's a big problem for me in a movie like this.
What about them look fake to you? This is a big argument I've heard since CG has been prevalent and no one can ever explain why they look fake, just that they do.
I actually can't put my finger on it either. The planes might be photorealistic, but something about the whole thing makes it look fake.
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Old January 8 2012, 11:29 PM   #86
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Even if the CGI looks realistic, sometimes there's a complete lack of real-world weight to them or "gravity" and the whole thing just looks off, like the plane sequences in Green Lantern.
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Old January 8 2012, 11:32 PM   #87
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Yikes, there is something about those CG shots which put me off, but objectively I can't really fault them.

The only thing thats coming to mind is maybe it looks a little washed out? Some contrast may help? But then the live action shots look very washed out too, so that seems to be look they're going for. I can't believe its simply that though.

Maybe it's hitting uncanny valley? I really don't know. But I'm looking forward to the film.
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Old January 9 2012, 02:13 PM   #88
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I love me some dogfights. Thing is, we *knew* the X-wings of 30+ years ago (and the CG X-wings of 15 years ago) were spaceships and therefore not real. Here we have almost exactly the same sorts of maneuvers as you see in the old movies but with fancier shots that you can't do with a camera strapped to a following plane. I think it's just fine, and moving along with the times.

Is the music we hear the final soundtrack? Seems awful synthesized for a Lucas flick. Did he blow his budget on fancy CG and all those upper-tier actors?

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I dunno... the combat scenes look incredibly fake, and that's a big problem for me in a movie like this.
What about them look fake to you? This is a big argument I've heard since CG has been prevalent and no one can ever explain why they look fake, just that they do.
I actually can't put my finger on it either. The planes might be photorealistic, but something about the whole thing makes it look fake.
It's because in the back of your head you know it's CGI and that you, as a viewer, can't be in the real world position to watch these dogfights so clearly and therefore consciously you reject the scene for a bit.

If you can watch some 60s or 70s (or even 80s) fighter movies.. hell, watch Top Gun which everyone knows and has seen and you will notice the difference.

Personally i had the same problem with LotR.. as grand and awesome the SFX were i always knew it was "just" a special effect and therefore it took me a bit out of the movie but only a tiny fraction.

If the story is well written and acted i don't mind the CGI battles if they are also well done and judging from the trailers i'd say they are so i'll be in the cinema when it airs in Germany.
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Old January 9 2012, 10:44 PM   #90
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Goliath wrote: View Post
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I dunno... the combat scenes look incredibly fake, and that's a big problem for me in a movie like this.
What about them look fake to you? This is a big argument I've heard since CG has been prevalent and no one can ever explain why they look fake, just that they do.
Part of the problem might be that they look too sharp and clean.

Since the days of newsreels, people have associated grainy, poorly-focused, poorly-lighted and haphazardly-composed images with reality and realism. Battlestar Galactica used exactly these conventions to give its space-travel scenes verisimilitude. It also used a lot of handheld camera shots for the same reason, in the same way that cop shows like Homicide: Life on the Street have.

Our mental image of a World War II aerial battle is strongly influenced by the old newsreel and gun-camera footage we see in war documentaries. That looks "realistic" to us, even though it looks nothing like what the pilots actually saw. For similar reasons, I personally find it jarring whenever CGI is used to show things that a movie camera could not physically film.

To me, the stills and air-combat footage from this film look more like paintings or animation than "realistic" air battles. Even though personally, I've never seen a real-life aerial battle, even from a distance. Even if you could prove to me that these pictures were realistic as hell--and I'm not saying they are--they still wouldn't look "right."

TV Tropes calls this problem Reality is Unrealistic.
Then compare how the planes look and feel to another Aerial combat film for example "Battle of Britain"
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