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Old January 8 2012, 07:22 AM   #391
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones Spoiler-Filled Discussion

I say Martin has nothing on Robert Jordan's endless, mind numbing, pointless chapters of useless information.
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Old January 8 2012, 08:32 AM   #392
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Is there any long running fantasy series that maintains the pace of its first two or three books?

I can't really think of one off-hand.

A Dance with Dragons felt almost identical to the later Jordan WoT books, in terms of pacing and overly flowery digressions and descriptions.

How can any series with over a dozen POV characters and hundreds of other characters be expected to move as lightly and freely as it did at the beginning?
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Old January 8 2012, 10:22 AM   #393
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Have an editor who knows when to break out the Valyrian steel.
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Old January 8 2012, 10:49 PM   #394
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Is there any long running fantasy series that maintains the pace of its first two or three books?

I can't really think of one off-hand.

A Dance with Dragons felt almost identical to the later Jordan WoT books, in terms of pacing and overly flowery digressions and descriptions.

How can any series with over a dozen POV characters and hundreds of other characters be expected to move as lightly and freely as it did at the beginning?
I haven't read any of the series yet myself, but the reviews for the Brandon Sanderson WoT books are much better than the last few Robert Jordan ones. So it looks like he might have managed to get the series back where it started quality wise.
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Old January 9 2012, 03:15 AM   #395
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Sanderson's WoT books are pretty good, I'm not sure if I would say they equal the earlier WoT books though. Certainly not in pacing. But we are invested in the characters and stuff is actually happening again. Huge world ending things.

And I am never going to see changing authors mid-series as optimal.
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Old January 9 2012, 08:30 AM   #396
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Man, if "Eye of the World" is one of the 'good' books in that series... I dread to think of what comes later!
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Old January 9 2012, 05:01 PM   #397
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Man, if "Eye of the World" is one of the 'good' books in that series... I dread to think of what comes later!
I've managed to finish Eye of the World, but it was a very difficult struggle. The second book was even more boring, so I abandoned it somewhere in the middle.
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Old January 9 2012, 06:11 PM   #398
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Eye of the World is rough in a lot of ways, and introduces way too many characters and settings too fast. I can understand not liking it.

But if you don't like the second book than yes, the series is not for you. Outside a few isolated moments in later books("Asha'man rolling ring of earth and fire!") I would say books 2, 3, 4, and maybe 5 are the consistently best part of the series.
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Old January 9 2012, 06:51 PM   #399
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I enjoyed The Eye of the World quite a bit. Even though it started out as a fairly basic fantasy story (young man goes off on a quest to save the world after his rural home is destroyed), I really liked the world Jordan created. I remember liking The Great Hunt, too, but for some reason I stopped partway through The Dragon Reborn and never got back into it. That was nearly ten years ago, though, and I think the big reason was I'd gotten kind of disenchanted with the series because of what people were saying about the later books. Now that Sanderson is wrapping up the series, I might finally give WoT another chance.
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Old January 10 2012, 04:18 PM   #400
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Here's the list of directors for the second season:

Episode 1: Alan Taylor
Episode 2: Alan Taylor
Episode 3: Alik Sakharov
Episode 4: David Petrarca
Episode 5: David Petrarca
Episode 6: David Nutter
Episode 7: David Nutter
Episode 8: Alan Taylor
Episode 9: Neil Marshall
Episode 10: Alan Taylor

Alan Taylor directed "Fire and Blood" and "Baelor" in the first season and he's been hired to direct Thor 2. Neil Marshall is the director of the films Dog Soldiers, The Descent, Doomsday and Centurion. This is the first time he's directed for television. His episode is "Blackwater".
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Old January 10 2012, 06:54 PM   #401
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Any idea of where the filming of Thor 2 will fall into this schedule? I honestly figured he'd be too busy to do any more AGT for a while.
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Old January 10 2012, 08:11 PM   #402
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All the episodes of season two have already been filmed.
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Old January 10 2012, 08:14 PM   #403
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Here's the list of directors for the second season:

Episode 1: Alan Taylor
Episode 2: Alan Taylor
Episode 3: Alik Sakharov
Episode 4: David Petrarca
Episode 5: David Petrarca
Episode 6: David Nutter
Episode 7: David Nutter
Episode 8: Alan Taylor
Episode 9: Neil Marshall
Episode 10: Alan Taylor
Do we have episode names to go with that?
Really curious what these are.
On this show, bookwalkers usually can tell what's gonna happen from the title alone.

Neil Marshall is the director of the films Dog Soldiers, The Descent, Doomsday and Centurion. This is the first time he's directed for television. His episode is "Blackwater".
And he's getting the bic mac right away? The producers must have had a lot of faith in him.
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Old January 10 2012, 09:21 PM   #404
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Do we have episode names to go with that?
"Blackwater" is the only episode title that's been revealed so far. GRRM wrote the episode and announced the title.
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Old January 11 2012, 05:47 PM   #405
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Is there any long running fantasy series that maintains the pace of its first two or three books?

I can't really think of one off-hand.
I'd want to say Discworld, but since each book is a self-contained story (albeit with often quite strong continuity to earlier books) it doesn't seem fair to compare it to something like ASOIAF, which clearly has an overarching narrative.

This said:
How can any series with over a dozen POV characters and hundreds of other characters be expected to move as lightly and freely as it did at the beginning?
Oh, that's simple.

By having several plots moving simultaneously.

This is sort of the point of having many POV characters, isn't it? The problem with ADWD is less having so many POV characters and often not simply knowing when to give them a chapter or not. Bran has two or three chapters that advance his story enormously, Tyrion has a dozen and almost all of them are just there to kill time (with the exception of him meeting Aegon Targaryen, I can't help but feel you could cut every single one of his chapters and pick up his story in the next book and the reader would be up to speed with him by the end of his first chapter). Victarion spends his chapters en route to a destination he still doesn't reach - he could have used one chapter, at most. Generally when a POV character doesn't have anything worthwhile to add, best to keep them out of the reader's eye, and so on.
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