Buffy season nine discussion thread - Page 19

Turtletrekker · December 27 2011, 01:48 AM

Both issue 4s, Buffy and Angel and Faith, were great. I am really enjoying season nine so far.

Karl Moline talks about Fray, his work on seaon 8, and his upcoming work in season 9, here.

Admiral_Young · December 29 2011, 03:56 AM

Angel and Faith #5 was something surprising. I thought we were in for a dud with Harmony returning but this was a fun issue. The art was surprisingly fun as well. Angel continues to be on a singular path which I predict is not going to end well. Faith's concern and hesitation continues to be ever present. Clem was awesome in this issue, always nice to see old characters from the past return. There were some funny lines as well. Both books are going in the right direction now.

DevilEyes · December 29 2011, 04:47 AM

Admiral_Young wrote:

Angel and Faith #5 was something surprising. I thought we were in for a dud with Harmony returning but this was a fun issue. The art was surprisingly fun as well. Angel continues to be on a singular path which I predict is not going to end well. Faith's concern and hesitation continues to be ever present. Clem was awesome in this issue, always nice to see old characters from the past return. There were some funny lines as well. Both books are going in the right direction now.

What do you think about the explanation about Angel's intentions as Twilight? It retcons #35, and fans on BF and Whedonesque have been split over whether it's an attempt at whitewashing his actions. I think it's just an attempt to make more sense of his motivations and characterization during season 8, but I don't think it whitewashes him at all. So he wasn't willing to let everyone in the world die while he lived with Buffy in a paradise for two (which answers the "what about Connor?" question), but instead he wanted to play God and decide who gets to live in 'paradise' and who gets to perish? That's really not any better.

Admiral_Young · December 29 2011, 05:59 PM

I honestly took it to be a throwaway line from Harmony...never put too much thought into actually. If it was an attempt to retcon...well I dunno. We really don't know what he truly intended "Twilight" to be or who was going to be allowed in. Given the source of who said it I kind of didn't think it important to dwell on since Harmony says a bunch of stuff.

DevilEyes · December 30 2011, 01:29 PM

Admiral_Young wrote:

I honestly took it to be a throwaway line from Harmony...never put too much thought into actually. If it was an attempt to retcon...well I dunno. We really don't know what he truly intended "Twilight" to be or who was going to be allowed in. Given the source of who said it I kind of didn't think it important to dwell on since Harmony says a bunch of stuff.

Harmony was just suggesting what he might try to claim he wanted to do, but Angel started saying "But that is what I was going to..."

It does fit as what he probably originally intended with the Twilight plan (since he thought he was "saving the world") and it would be in character for him (he has taken upon himself to decide who's worth saving and who isn't before - think of the lawyers in "Reunion" and Lindsey in NFA) and would explain why he didn't seem concerned about Connor - he thought Connor would be safe. But it doesn't fit with his behavior in #35 unless he considered Willow, Giles, Xander, Dawn, Faith and the rest of the Slayers unworthy of being saved - he didn't seem concerned with helping them at all until Buffy refused to stay in the Twilight dimension.

Admiral_Young · December 30 2011, 09:51 PM

Angel not being concerned about some people close to him isn't really a big deal to me since really he was focused on just Buffy at the time the two of them created Twilight. You hit it on the nail when you said he didn't seem concerned with anyone else until Buffy refused to stay in Twilight. He was thinking only about her at that time, which makes sense. My point is he was kind of self-absorbed at the time. Angel most likely believed that Buffy would go along with his plan. Kind of the point of the whole "Twilight" thing. He was thinking of only himself.

DevilEyes · December 31 2011, 01:07 AM

Now would be the right time to quote an answer from Scott Allie in his latest Q&A:

4. Sosa Lola: Hi, Scott, loved the Harmony issue, so funny! In the issue, Harmony wants to start a campaign to fix Angel's image, twisting the truth by saying that Angel was going to take the good humans to Twilight and leave the bad ones to burn. Angel says later, "But that IS what I was going to..." Was he talking about "creating a new universe and leaving the current one to burn" or "taking the good people to the new universe he created and leaving the bad ones."?

Scott: He meant both. I want to do an issue of Angel drawn by Bob Sikoryak in the style of Charles Schulz in which Angel keeps trying to explain what he was thinking in Season 8, but Faith repeatedly pulls the football out from in front of him, and no one else will listen to him, and every page ends with him saying, "Good grief!" Twenty-two pages of that, at the end of which, still no one knows what the hell he was thinking.
Angel was manipulated into taking point on a very bad plan that he never fully understood because he never bothered to understand it, too wrapped up in the idea of doing an ultimate good deed.

Admiral_Young · December 31 2011, 01:09 AM

An interesting response, and I'd love to read that issue he's talking about...so I was kind of along the right track. It does seem like Angel was manipulated and had a deluded sense of sense during his whole Twilight plan thingy. He was obsessed with the ultimate result and not really in the absolute consequence of what his actions would result to those he cared about.

DevilEyes · January 2 2012, 03:20 PM

Things From Another World has a Spuffy promo for season 9 (with the image taken from the cover of #6):

http://images.tfaw.com/tfaw2007/home/BuffyS9.jpg

BTW the coloring is really weird, I hope they'll fix it for the actual cover. What's up with Spike's and Buffy's face being so red, and why are his eyes green?

timothy · January 2 2012, 04:33 PM

Okay awesome, I think I see my nook color wallpaper.

Admiral_Young · January 2 2012, 07:19 PM

That promo looks very cartoonish with the colouring and brightness. Perhaps that is the point of it. It is a little annoying.

Ethros · January 2 2012, 08:34 PM

This was posted on Whedonesque earlier, under the title "Huge Buffy Season 9 spoiler"
See here

So just beware if you click on it. It is however not some leaked info, its an official release. And its a cover image for #8 so you'll see it before you read the issue anyway. But just for here and now I'll discuss it in spoiler code

DevilEyes · January 2 2012, 08:36 PM

Admiral_Young wrote:

That promo looks very cartoonish with the colouring and brightness. Perhaps that is the point of it. It is a little annoying.

It's made from Phil Noto's cover for #6, but the coloring is even weirder than in the released cover image.

http://i548.photobucket.com/albums/i.../BuffyS9_6.jpg

Ethros wrote:

So just beware if you click on it. It is however not some leaked info, its an official release. And its a cover image for #8 so you'll see it before you read the issue anyway. But just for here and now I'll discuss it in spoiler code

Yeah, but we're actually supposed to only see it after we've read #5, 6 and 7. We're getting spoiled a lot because Dark Horse releases solicitations and covers for 4 issues in advance. Though some of the solicitations were misleading (like the one for Buffy #4). Still, I'm not clicking on that...

Ayelbourne · January 2 2012, 09:03 PM

Meh, it's just a flesh wound.

Admiral_Young · January 2 2012, 09:09 PM

Interesting spoiler. Not really sure what to make of it other than it could be misleading.

December 27 2011, 01:48 AM	#271
Turtletrekker Vice Admiral Location: Tacoma, Washington	Re: Buffy season nine discussion thread Both issue 4s, Buffy and Angel and Faith, were great. I am really enjoying season nine so far. Karl Moline talks about Fray, his work on seaon 8, and his upcoming work in season 9, here. __________________ Coulson lives!

December 29 2011, 03:56 AM	#272
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: Buffy season nine discussion thread Angel and Faith #5 was something surprising. I thought we were in for a dud with Harmony returning but this was a fun issue. The art was surprisingly fun as well. Angel continues to be on a singular path which I predict is not going to end well. Faith's concern and hesitation continues to be ever present. Clem was awesome in this issue, always nice to see old characters from the past return. There were some funny lines as well. Both books are going in the right direction now. __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

December 29 2011, 05:59 PM	#274
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: Buffy season nine discussion thread I honestly took it to be a throwaway line from Harmony...never put too much thought into actually. If it was an attempt to retcon...well I dunno. We really don't know what he truly intended "Twilight" to be or who was going to be allowed in. Given the source of who said it I kind of didn't think it important to dwell on since Harmony says a bunch of stuff. __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

December 30 2011, 09:51 PM	#276
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: Buffy season nine discussion thread Angel not being concerned about some people close to him isn't really a big deal to me since really he was focused on just Buffy at the time the two of them created Twilight. You hit it on the nail when you said he didn't seem concerned with anyone else until Buffy refused to stay in Twilight. He was thinking only about her at that time, which makes sense. My point is he was kind of self-absorbed at the time. Angel most likely believed that Buffy would go along with his plan. Kind of the point of the whole "Twilight" thing. He was thinking of only himself. __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

December 31 2011, 01:07 AM	#277
DevilEyes Rear Admiral Location: basking in the warmth of the Fire Caves	Re: Buffy season nine discussion thread Now would be the right time to quote an answer from Scott Allie in his latest Q&A: 4. Sosa Lola: Hi, Scott, loved the Harmony issue, so funny! In the issue, Harmony wants to start a campaign to fix Angel's image, twisting the truth by saying that Angel was going to take the good humans to Twilight and leave the bad ones to burn. Angel says later, "But that IS what I was going to..." Was he talking about "creating a new universe and leaving the current one to burn" or "taking the good people to the new universe he created and leaving the bad ones."? Scott: He meant both. I want to do an issue of Angel drawn by Bob Sikoryak in the style of Charles Schulz in which Angel keeps trying to explain what he was thinking in Season 8, but Faith repeatedly pulls the football out from in front of him, and no one else will listen to him, and every page ends with him saying, "Good grief!" Twenty-two pages of that, at the end of which, still no one knows what the hell he was thinking. Angel was manipulated into taking point on a very bad plan that he never fully understood because he never bothered to understand it, too wrapped up in the idea of doing an ultimate good deed. __________________ Treason, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. my Buffy/Angel rewatch

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December 31 2011, 01:09 AM	#278
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: Buffy season nine discussion thread An interesting response, and I'd love to read that issue he's talking about...so I was kind of along the right track. It does seem like Angel was manipulated and had a deluded sense of sense during his whole Twilight plan thingy. He was obsessed with the ultimate result and not really in the absolute consequence of what his actions would result to those he cared about. __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

January 2 2012, 03:20 PM	#279
DevilEyes Rear Admiral Location: basking in the warmth of the Fire Caves	Re: Buffy season nine discussion thread Things From Another World has a Spuffy promo for season 9 (with the image taken from the cover of #6): http://images.tfaw.com/tfaw2007/home/BuffyS9.jpg BTW the coloring is really weird, I hope they'll fix it for the actual cover. What's up with Spike's and Buffy's face being so red, and why are his eyes green? __________________ Treason, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. my Buffy/Angel rewatch

January 2 2012, 04:33 PM	#280
timothy Rear Admiral Location: born to be a trekie	Re: Buffy season nine discussion thread Okay awesome, I think I see my nook color wallpaper. __________________ I am currently reading star trek the weight of worlds by greg cox currently watching continuum, being human, lost girl, Arrow, supernatural, grimm, Once upon a time, the walking dead, the vampire diaries, revolution, merlin

January 2 2012, 07:19 PM	#281
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: Buffy season nine discussion thread That promo looks very cartoonish with the colouring and brightness. Perhaps that is the point of it. It is a little annoying. __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

January 2 2012, 08:34 PM	#282
Ethros Vice Admiral Location: 1123 6536 5321	Re: Buffy season nine discussion thread This was posted on Whedonesque earlier, under the title "Huge Buffy Season 9 spoiler" See here So just beware if you click on it. It is however not some leaked info, its an official release. And its a cover image for #8 so you'll see it before you read the issue anyway. But just for here and now I'll discuss it in spoiler code So, Buffy has her arm cut off?... ok? Natural reaction is is this gonna be real and not some dream or fake out, or she magically grows it back/heals the next issue etc Either way, yeah good one Allie on ruining it. "Why show it on the cover? It gets to be a drag saving all the juiciest stuff for the insides, and we think that it'll still have some surprise impact when it happens." Moron. So Mr. Allie, can you just tell me what happens at the end of Season 9 then so I don't have to bother buying any more issues? Also, I has suspicions before, but I seriously believe now that whole "oops leaked image of Angel-as-Twilight" two years ago was completely done on purpose. Like this it was nothing more than a marketing ploy for people to buy more issues and get some column inches.

January 2 2012, 09:03 PM	#284
Ayelbourne Fleet Captain	Re: Buffy season nine discussion thread Meh, it's just a flesh wound. Some leftover demon is probably gonna fix her up again later... Or slayers can actually regrow limbs. There was never a definite word on that afaik. Or some doctors are gonna reattach the arm. Just like they once did with Spike's hands)

January 2 2012, 09:09 PM	#285
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: Buffy season nine discussion thread Interesting spoiler. Not really sure what to make of it other than it could be misleading. __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.