If you don't think Nemesis is better than Star trek 2009.... - Page 30

archeryguy1701 · December 23 2011, 07:21 AM

I'm ashamed to admit that I think we've fallen into this trap:

There is no way this guy is for real. He has to be fucking with us. Absolutely no way this can be serious. I'm grabbing another glass of Baileys and going to bed.

BillJ · December 23 2011, 07:22 AM

trek_futurist wrote:

BillJ wrote:

trek_futurist wrote:

Profit can be had with much less effort and financial sacrifice. Day time talk shows entertain people.

Not all people. This seems to be your biggest problem, you think people should be this soulless, homogenized group. Imagine a world where all that aired were talk shows. Pretty dull.

Would you care to describe the differences between star trek and day time talk shows, since they are both merely for 'entertainment' and nothing more?

I'm sorry but your simply trolling at this point. If you don't know the difference between daytime talk and sci-fi action adventure you're not as smart as you think you are.

RoJoHen · December 23 2011, 07:23 AM

snowman1701 wrote:

I'm ashamed to admit that I think we've fallen into this trap:

There is no way this guy is for real. He has to be fucking with us. Absolutely no way this can be serious. I'm grabbing another glass of Baileys and going to bed.

I relocated from my living (where I was watching an episode of Voyager, btw) to my bed. Sometimes I wish I didn't have a laptop. I would just walk away.

BillJ · December 23 2011, 07:24 AM

snowman1701 wrote:

I'm ashamed to admit that I think we've fallen into this trap:

There is no way this guy is for real. He has to be fucking with us. Absolutely no way this can be serious. I'm grabbing another glass of Baileys and going to bed.

I passed up sex with the misses to continue this circle-jerk. Off to bed.

RoJoHen · December 23 2011, 07:25 AM

Congratulations, trek_futurist. You have succeeded in losing all credibility. I honestly can't believe it took this long.

MasuPu'a · December 23 2011, 07:27 AM

snowman1701 wrote:

I'm ashamed to admit that I think we've fallen into this trap:

There is no way this guy is for real. He has to be fucking with us. Absolutely no way this can be serious. I'm grabbing another glass of Baileys and going to bed.

Obvious troll is obvious...I guess I had nothing better to do tonight then to feed a troll.

BillJ · December 23 2011, 07:27 AM

RoJoHen wrote:

snowman1701 wrote:

I'm ashamed to admit that I think we've fallen into this trap:

There is no way this guy is for real. He has to be fucking with us. Absolutely no way this can be serious. I'm grabbing another glass of Baileys and going to bed.

I relocated from my living (where I was watching an episode of Voyager, btw) to my bed. Sometimes I wish I didn't have a laptop. I would just walk away.

The iPad has cost me many hours of sleep.

trek_futurist · December 23 2011, 07:28 AM

RoJoHen wrote:

trek_futurist wrote:

snowman1701 wrote:

Oh for crying out loud.... If Jersey Shore entertained me, I would be watching that. It doesn't. Star Trek does.

I can not seriously believe you're now arguing that entertainment value and discussion of "higher" topics are mutually exclusive.

No wonder us Trekkies have such a horrible reputation in the real world.

If it is merely a matter of entertainment, as a few of you suggest, why not promote something that leads to the path of least resistance for ratings? Such as another cop show. Another forensics show. Another day time talk show. These garner much higher ratings than star trek ever has (hence the longevity of shows lie jerry springer). With the exception of the 2009 namesake, of course. *raises eyebrow*

You're absolutely right. And that's exactly why there is no Trek on TV right now and why there probably won't be for a very long time.

Trek used to be popular and make money, and then it got less popular with each subsequent TV series. It is no longer worth the investment to make more Trek shows.

The ratings of TNG were much higher than TOS or any of the other shows, which is why it survived 7 seasons, and it was arguably the most philosophically and scientifically challenging trek incarnation ever. VOY and DS9 lasted 7 seasons as well. ENT lasted only 4 because it attempted to make it more accessible to the masses. The 2009 thing 'succeeded' financially because it was marketed to the masses as a generic summer blockbuster and nothing more. The star trek affiliation was in namesake only. It did not succeed as a star trek movie, but as an abstract object called a summer blockbuster. This is the very first time this can be said of a star trek film. Despite TWOK's success, it still succeeded as a star trek film.

Maurice · December 23 2011, 07:30 AM

He/she/it had no credibility from the moment of the original post. This is the kind of person who's only interested in proving themselves to be "right" rather than being factually correct, and will pick through any post to find a few poorly chosen words to try to twist around.

I'm adding a new name to my ignore list. I suggest others do as well.

BillJ · December 23 2011, 07:31 AM

trek_futurist wrote:

RoJoHen wrote:

trek_futurist wrote:

If it is merely a matter of entertainment, as a few of you suggest, why not promote something that leads to the path of least resistance for ratings? Such as another cop show. Another forensics show. Another day time talk show. These garner much higher ratings than star trek ever has (hence the longevity of shows lie jerry springer). With the exception of the 2009 namesake, of course. *raises eyebrow*

You're absolutely right. And that's exactly why there is no Trek on TV right now and why there probably won't be for a very long time.

Trek used to be popular and make money, and then it got less popular with each subsequent TV series. It is no longer worth the investment to make more Trek shows.

The ratings of TNG were much higher than TOS or any of the other shows, which is why it survived 7 seasons, and it was arguably the most philosophically and scientifically challenging trek incarnation ever. VOY and DS9 lasted 7 seasons as well. ENT lasted only 4 because it attempted to make it more accessible to the masses. The 2009 thing 'succeeded' financially because it was marketed to the masses as a generic summer blockbuster and nothing more. The star trek affiliation was in namesake only. It did not succeed as a star trek movie, but as an abstract object called a summer blockbuster. This is the very first time this can be said of a star trek film. Despite TWOK's success, it still succeeded as a star trek film.

It succeeded as Star Trek the moment nerds like us started staying up all night arguing about it. The tradition proudly continues.

RoJoHen · December 23 2011, 07:36 AM

BillJ wrote:

trek_futurist wrote:

RoJoHen wrote:

You're absolutely right. And that's exactly why there is no Trek on TV right now and why there probably won't be for a very long time.

Trek used to be popular and make money, and then it got less popular with each subsequent TV series. It is no longer worth the investment to make more Trek shows.

The ratings of TNG were much higher than TOS or any of the other shows, which is why it survived 7 seasons, and it was arguably the most philosophically and scientifically challenging trek incarnation ever. VOY and DS9 lasted 7 seasons as well. ENT lasted only 4 because it attempted to make it more accessible to the masses. The 2009 thing 'succeeded' financially because it was marketed to the masses as a generic summer blockbuster and nothing more. The star trek affiliation was in namesake only. It did not succeed as a star trek movie, but as an abstract object called a summer blockbuster. This is the very first time this can be said of a star trek film. Despite TWOK's success, it still succeeded as a star trek film.

It succeeded as Star Trek the moment nerds like us started staying up all night arguing about it. The tradition proudly continues.

When the next movie comes out, I'm going to make a point to pay extra attention to its use of scientific theories (but only if they're grounded in general relativity!) and morals.

J. Allen · December 23 2011, 08:16 AM

As for me, I'm going to start using more exclamation marks and assert my dominance by calling strong black women 'whores'.

Peach Wookiee · December 23 2011, 08:41 AM

I am shutting this thread down. CLANG! Good night, everybody.

December 23 2011, 07:21 AM	#436
archeryguy1701 Rear Admiral Location: Cheyenne, WY	Re: If you don't think Nemesis is better than Star trek 2009.... I'm ashamed to admit that I think we've fallen into this trap: There is no way this guy is for real. He has to be fucking with us. Absolutely no way this can be serious. I'm grabbing another glass of Baileys and going to bed. __________________ "If it weren't for stupid, difficult races, there'd simply be no point to living." Sometimes you just gotta roll the hard six- Bill Adama

December 23 2011, 07:25 AM	#440
RoJoHen Awesome Location: Wherever life takes me	Re: If you don't think Nemesis is better than Star trek 2009.... Congratulations, trek_futurist. You have succeeded in losing all credibility. I honestly can't believe it took this long. __________________ I am the Quintessential Admiral. Get ready to grow your EQUINOX BEARD!

December 23 2011, 07:30 AM	#444
Maurice Rear Admiral Location: Maurice in San Francisco	Re: If you don't think Nemesis is better than Star trek 2009.... He/she/it had no credibility from the moment of the original post. This is the kind of person who's only interested in proving themselves to be "right" rather than being factually correct, and will pick through any post to find a few poorly chosen words to try to twist around. I'm adding a new name to my ignore list. I suggest others do as well. __________________ * * * "Star Trek…at times sparkled with true ingenuity, and pure science fiction approaches, and at other times was more carnival like, and very much more the creature of television than the creature of a legitimate literary form." —Rod Serling, 1970"

December 23 2011, 08:16 AM	#447
J. Allen Trekkie™ Location: A Quantum State	Re: If you don't think Nemesis is better than Star trek 2009.... As for me, I'm going to start using more exclamation marks and assert my dominance by calling strong black women 'whores'. __________________ -------------------- "Laser effects, mirrored balls; John Williams must be rolling around in his grave!" - Homer Simpson

December 23 2011, 08:41 AM	#448
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