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Old December 21 2011, 04:39 PM   #436
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Best trailer of 2011. That was something special and I'm so glad that it's getting made and we can follow the journey leading up to it. Terribly exciting.
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Old December 21 2011, 04:54 PM   #437
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I seriously didn't give a damn about this, and then I saw the trailer, saw Cate Blanchett, saw Ian Holm, Ian McfreakingKellan, and yeah, you can say I'm looking forward to this now.
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Old December 21 2011, 05:12 PM   #438
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I still think they could have told this story perfectly with a single movie - having read the book numerous times I just don't think it works as a two-parter (especially with what appears to be a ton of added stuff that'll probably have Tolkienites screaming). That said, Jackson did right by me with the LOTR trilogy, and I do appreciate bigtime the fact they're maintaining continuity of cast, even bringing in Ian Holm, so I'm sure it'll be a good couple of movies. I'm a little concerned that Thorin is being made out to be more like Aragorn than Hans Conried (if you ever saw the animated version, you'd know) but I'm willing to see how it plays out. In 2-D of course!

(And somewhere in that mess of dwarves is supposed to be Sylvester McCoy of Doctor Who fame, but I don't know which one.)

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I was ready to camp out for this well before I knew there'd be a 3D version. That said, 3D holds no allure for me, due to the lackluster examples I have seen in a few others. Yet it seems to me that if it's going to be done, Jackson & Co are doing it "the right way" from what's been show in his documentaries to date.

With Howard Shore scoring the films and Weta involved again.... I'm VERY confident it's being done as well as is possible.
I felt the same way about 3D. I'm hoping that what Scorsese did with Hugo will raise the bar for Peter Jackson.
That still doesn't address the fact that there are many, many people for whom viewing a 3-D movie is simply a physically uncomfortable, "take you out of the movie" experience, not counting those who simply can't see the effect at all. As I mentioned elsewhere, a myth has arisen around the idea that "oh, well, there'll always be a 2-D version playing somewhere." Wrong. I live in a city of a million people and I was unable to see Hugo, Three Musketeers, Toy Story 3, the last Resident Evil film and about 3-4 other movies because either no one brought it in as 2-D or they played it in one screen out of dozens of theatres. And when I went to see Harry Potter Deathly Hallows 2 in 2-D the picture was so dark and muddy I was reminded of the Boston Globe expose that revealed some theatres are showing 2-D prints using 3-D projectors, which just doesn't work right. The result is I no longer become excited about theatrical releases - I'm disenfranchised as far as that goes and if they closed all the movie theatres tomorrow I'd be rather ambivalent as opposed to if they closed all the DVD/Blu-ray shops (which is coming, I know - pretty soon I'll be a hermit; nah, my feet are too hairy - I'll be a hobbit. ).

The only good thing about 3-D movies is that the 2-D versions often look really really good on HD because of the added resolution. So if nothing else, Hobbit 1 & 2 will be a kick-ass Blu-ray release.

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Old December 21 2011, 05:17 PM   #439
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Sylvester McCoy isn't playing one of the dwarves, rather he's playing Radagast the Brown, a wizard that's part of The White Council.

Also, the added material that expands the story into two films are from The Return of the King appendices and covers what Gandalf was doing during his absences from The Hobbit narrative, i.e. investigating the Neucromancer at Dol Gundar (hence Galadriel's and Saruman's return and Radagast's appearance).
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Old December 21 2011, 05:24 PM   #440
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It's Dol Guldur.
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Old December 21 2011, 05:25 PM   #441
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I actually think Aidan Turner (Kli) looks more like Aragorn than Richard Armitage does as Thorin. At least Thorin has a fairly dwarvish nose. Kli just looks human.
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Old December 21 2011, 05:27 PM   #442
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It's Dol Guldur.
I stand corrected. Unfortunately, this isn't the first time I've incorrectly recalled the name of that place.
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Old December 21 2011, 05:45 PM   #443
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Also, the added material that expands the story into two films are from The Return of the King appendices and covers what Gandalf was doing during his absences from The Hobbit narrative, i.e. investigating the Neucromancer at Dol Gundar (hence Galadriel's and Saruman's return and Radagast's appearance).
Though the attack on Dol Guldur is mentioned in the ROTK appendices' Tale of Years, pages 301-302 of The Silmarillion go into a little more detail and explain the Radagast-Saruman connection: Saruman was actively searching for the Ring by this point and using a host of spies that included birds summoned by Radagast, who ( like the White Council ) did not yet know that Saruman had "fallen to the dark side" in Star Wars parlance. I expect to see this touched on in the films. Probably a Saruman-Radagast scene where Radagast looks troubled and turns away, and then we see Saruman looking evil.
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I still think they could have told this story perfectly with a single movie - having read the book numerous times I just don't think it works as a two-parter (especially with what appears to be a ton of added stuff that'll probably have Tolkienites screaming).
I dunno. This Tolkienite gasped when he saw Bilbo looking on the Shards of Narsil, and that sure as heck isn't in Tolkien's writings.

I think The Hobbit will work as a two-part film, and I have a pretty good idea of where the story will "break" (it has to be when they reach Laketown and see the Lonely Mountain because that's the natural midpoint in Bilbo's journey). I trust Jackson and Philippa Boyens. And I especially trust Guillermo del Toro, and seeing his name on the screenplay in the trailer the first time was more of a thrill for me than hearing Andy Serkis.

Ironically, it looks like Jackson has accomplished what Tolkien did not fully -- making The Hobbit part of the The Lord of the Rings. Tolkien's last unfinished revision of The Hobbit was in a Lord of the Rings style

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I'm a little concerned that Thorin is being made out to be more like Aragorn than Hans Conried (if you ever saw the animated version, you'd know) but I'm willing to see how it plays out.
Except that's how the character is in The Hobbit. Thorin is a king reclaiming his lost throne, so they're going to have similar story beats.
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Old December 21 2011, 05:53 PM   #445
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I personally never much liked The Hobbit all that much. It was okay, but it always felt like too much of a kid's book. I'm hoping all the extra stuff that is being added will help with that feeling.
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Old December 21 2011, 05:59 PM   #446
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That still doesn't address the fact that there are many, many people for whom viewing a 3-D movie is simply a physically uncomfortable, "take you out of the movie" experience, not counting those who simply can't see the effect at all. As I mentioned elsewhere, a myth has arisen around the idea that "oh, well, there'll always be a 2-D version playing somewhere." Wrong. I live in a city of a million people and I was unable to see Hugo, Three Musketeers, Toy Story 3, the last Resident Evil film and about 3-4 other movies because either no one brought it in as 2-D or they played it in one screen out of dozens of theatres. And when I went to see Harry Potter Deathly Hallows 2 in 2-D the picture was so dark and muddy I was reminded of the Boston Globe expose that revealed some theatres are showing 2-D prints using 3-D projectors, which just doesn't work right. The result is I no longer become excited about theatrical releases - I'm disenfranchised as far as that goes and if they closed all the movie theatres tomorrow I'd be rather ambivalent as opposed to if they closed all the DVD/Blu-ray shops (which is coming, I know - pretty soon I'll be a hermit; nah, my feet are too hairy - I'll be a hobbit. ).

The only good thing about 3-D movies is that the 2-D versions often look really really good on HD because of the added resolution. So if nothing else, Hobbit 1 & 2 will be a kick-ass Blu-ray release.

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You're right - it doesn't address the uncomfortablility issue. I live in a town of 100,000, with one 10-screen theater. Two of those screens are 3D. We didn't get Hugo until two weeks after its release, but at least we got both 2D and 3D versions.

Have you complained to the theaters? Or maybe written a letter to the editor of the paper? I would think that a city the size of yours would have more options available for screenings.
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Old December 21 2011, 06:02 PM   #447
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Oh, I'm sure it will be (they've said it was), but these shots are mostly from Bag End in the Shire. I don't think there's anything east of Rivendell and the Misty Mountains in that trailer.
Well I wasn't just referring to locations, but the general look of the movie (cinematography, production design, direction, etc). I figured Jackson would want to differentiate it just a little from LOTR, instead of making it look like it was filmed at the exact same time as the other movies. But oh well.
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Old December 21 2011, 06:10 PM   #448
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I also wonder, with all these LOTR characters popping in, are we actually supposed to watch this story out of order now, when all is said and done?

I'm sure it's been suggested here before, but I'm kinda hoping we get an alternative, "Hobbit Only" cut when it comes out on blu-ray, where they leave out all the LOTR call-backs and just tell the story straight.
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Old December 21 2011, 06:10 PM   #449
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While I've read LotR I've never read The Hobbit...sometime over the next year I will.
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Old December 21 2011, 06:36 PM   #450
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Oh this looks spectacular. I love how they completely kept the atmosphere of the other movies. It would have been a horrible mistake to change the director. So glad Jackson returned.
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