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Old December 3 2011, 03:24 AM   #136
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Re: American Horror Story Discussion (Spoilers)

I wonder if they'll ever loop back to the Sal Mineo murder...why show it if it isn't going to play an important role in the story? He wasn't killed in the house so his ghost can't show up as a recurring character (that house is getting pretty crowded anyway), but it might play a role in some plotline yet to be revealed set in the 1950s.
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Old December 8 2011, 04:46 AM   #137
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It looks like Vorta was right about Violet...

In my opinion, this show keeps on getting better and better (and more interesting). Almost every other episode there's a new development, and for the most part it doesn't seem convoluted. I think this most recent development adds another layer of complexity to the show. How are Ben and Vivian going to leave the house when they discover what happened to Violet? I have a sneaking theory that they're both going to die in that house (and that's going to just add to the long-standing occurrence of people always dying in that house).

Another theory is that at some point both Ben and Vivian die, and the show continues with a new cast of characters. The original cast can simply re-appear from time-to-time. It would give the show a creatively interesting sense of longevity. On the other hand, if the show ends prematurely, perhaps the finale could deal with Ben and Vivian coming to terms with Violet's death and having to leave with that emotional epiphany.

However, I am of the opinion that both Ben and Vivian aren't going to make it out of that house alive. Perhaps one of them might live. For some reason I can see Vivian being the only surviving member of the family but then living out the remainder of her days completely emotionally distraught over the deaths of her family (including these newborns... whatever happens of them).
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Old December 8 2011, 05:13 PM   #138
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WOW! Holy crap.. So did not see that coming.. What a great episode.. A friend of mine who is a huge fan of the show had to work last night and as such, had to DVR it... It was all I could do not to spoil it for her..

So I guess I'm wondering if she's trapped in the house completely, or if it was just Tate controling reality to slow her down.
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Old December 8 2011, 05:42 PM   #139
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Well Ben needs her to get out of the house to school and such so I can't imagine him not eventually finding out Violet is dead. Kinda stinks about Larry getting locked away, he was a cool character. So now we only have Ben, Viven, Constance and Luke left that can interact with the world outside of the house. At least on Halloween all the spirits can get out of the house for one day.

Got to say this weird little show has really grown on me.
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Old December 8 2011, 08:29 PM   #140
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I guess Violet did die after taking those pills ... Another revelation (at least for me) was that Larry wasn't a ghost like the others. I was starting to question his nature when he would just constantly pop in and out of the house.

I felt that Constance really owned this episode, thanks to Jessica Lange's fine performance as usual. She was indignant when the two detectives suspected her of Travis' murder when she felt like a victim after having lost Addie and now, Travis. Best line: "Those Koreans. They're so suspicious now, especially after Hiroshima." Then she accidentally dropped the kitchen knife she used to threaten Larry in front of the cops. God, I love that woman!
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Old December 8 2011, 09:38 PM   #141
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Larry was outside the house a lot so he could not have been a 'house' ghost. Only on Halloween can the house ghosts get away from the house as we saw Tate (on his date with Violet) Moira (visiting her dieng mom) and Hayden (on her way to the police station with Luke), etc..
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Old December 8 2011, 10:13 PM   #142
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Larry was outside the house a lot so he could not have been a 'house' ghost. Only on Halloween can the house ghosts get away from the house as we saw Tate (on his date with Violet) Moira (visiting her dieng mom) and Hayden (on her way to the police station with Luke), etc..
Then explain to me how those "home invaders" that Tate killed managed to appear before Vivien and Violet inside Vivien's car as they tried to get away from the house one night. That certainly didn't happen on Halloween.
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Old December 8 2011, 10:29 PM   #143
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It looks like Vorta was right about Violet...
I'm pretty sure that notion was posed originally in this thread by someone else, because weirdly enough, I was surprised by that twist!

I was also surprised by Ben's amazing towel, resolutely clinging to him all during that fight. Much to my dismay.

The proportion of characters who are ghosts is now at a ridiculous level, and might be problematic for the series going forward, since so much of the action would have to take place in the house. I suspect the impending birth of the antichrist will be used as an excuse to start rewriting the rules.

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Well Ben needs her to get out of the house to school and such so I can't imagine him not eventually finding out Violet is dead.
Violet could convince her parents to have her home-schooled, as a way of trying to avoid the trauma of them ever finding out the truth. And she could fake being agoraphobic, which of course Ben would try to "cure."

I wonder what would happen if someone tried to pick her up and carry her off the property. Would she simply vanish?

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Best line: "Those Koreans. They're so suspicious now, especially after Hiroshima." Then she accidentally dropped the kitchen knife she used to threaten Larry in front of the cops. God, I love that woman!
Just inscribe her name on that Emmy now!

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Then explain to me how those "home invaders" that Tate killed managed to appear before Vivien and Violet inside Vivien's car as they tried to get away from the house one night. That certainly didn't happen on Halloween.
If they're following the rules, then the car must have been parked in the driveway on the house property. Can't recall exactly how that sequence went.

And wasn't Violet also a ghost by that point?
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Old December 8 2011, 10:38 PM   #144
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Yes, Violet had to have been dead by that time. I'm thinking the ghosts aren't necessarily "confined" within the walls of the house. How on earth could Violet have run to Vivien's car/SUV (with ghosts in it as well)?
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Old December 8 2011, 11:11 PM   #145
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Was the car on the street or in the driveway?
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Old December 8 2011, 11:57 PM   #146
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Driveway, within the gates, so I think that covers the "rules."

There is some speculation on the FX AHS forum that only if you are buried outside, can you exist outside the house (allowing Hayden and Moira to be out in the yard), but I think as long as you die within property boundaries, you can go outside.

I think Tate was manipulating "reality," which kept Violet running back into the house.
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Old December 9 2011, 01:52 AM   #147
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I interpreted that sequence as being literally what any ghost would see if they tried to leave the property. When they set foot off the property, they simply return to where they started. The others have learned not even to try anymore.
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Old December 9 2011, 01:50 PM   #148
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So would the high school also be haunted then? The ghosts of the kids killed there were out and about on Halloween as was Tate but they are not bound to the house or grounds. Maybe special Halloween dispensation?
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Yes, on halloween the ghosts can get out of the house. Those kids died in the school and I would guess are free floating spirits that are not bound to a property. So when Tate did leave the house on Halloween they found him.

The ghosts are not trapped in the house but on the property, we have seen this many times, Hayden talking to Ben in the Gazebo, Hayden meeting Travis as he walks by the house, Tate on the porch, etc..
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Old December 9 2011, 07:11 PM   #150
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The ghosts are not trapped in the house but on the property, we have seen this many times, Hayden talking to Ben in the Gazebo, Hayden meeting Travis as he walks by the house, Tate on the porch, etc..
Yes, but initially you said:

Larry was outside the house a lot so he could not have been a 'house' ghost.
That seemed to imply that house ghosts can't walk outside the house (unless it's Halloween).
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