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Old December 4 2011, 08:23 PM   #2506
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I'm missing my 52 fix, so I've bough the last two I, Vampire books, and the first Batman and Robin. The latter seemed ... short. Not bad, and I liked much of it. But short.
I thought I,Vampire #3 really delivered after issue 2 was lacking imo. Very eager to see what/who comes into the picture next issue in Gotham.
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Old December 5 2011, 02:34 AM   #2507
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I liked his first Cap run, but the follow up was weak.
There was a ton of editorial interference on his second run whereas there was none during the first go-around.

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it's all a vast improvement over the oldDC.
Eh...I like the changes, but the writing and direction are all on par with pre-New 52.

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Supes with a little edge and attitude works, and it's shocking how simple it seems to be even for Perez to introduce some believable human friction into Clark's relationships with other human beings.
So, basically what they've been doing with the character for the last 10-20 years.

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I guess just for me personally I don't see much difference story telling wise between now and say what we were getting a few months ago.
Because there really isn't any.

Lets call a spade a spade. The New 52 was nothing more than a stunt to get new readers. It was successful, but the approach DC has taken when constructing their stories isn't any different than what was already being done. Truth is, they didn't need to change their approach since the audience they were going for were not reading DC to begin with, those "new" readers wouldn't know the difference.

Most of the DC titles are middling at best. The only one that's actually worth a damn is The Flash.
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Old December 5 2011, 02:57 AM   #2508
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I'm enjoying all - okay, all but Green Lantern - of the titles I'm reading now more than I did the DC comics I used to buy. I can't believe I'm buying Supergirl every month, for chrissakes. And Superman is really, really different than the old wooden boy scout that no one ever seemed to be able to spin into having an actual personality or attitude toward...anyone or anything, really.

I mean, I've been reading these things on and off since around 1959. I know the difference and can see it easily...and I've certainly no reason to mourn for the oldDC as there wasn't anything going on there - okay, except Green Lantern - that could hold my interest for more than an occasional one-issue purchase.

At least people have to concede now that the reboot has succeeded. Oh, but I'm sure the Speedo will "be back within a year."

The last part of Flashpoint was kind of sweet - Bruce and Barry and the letter and all. And presumably the hooded chick going on about the timeline being "splintered to weaken your world for their impending arrival" prefigures next summers big crossover event, whatever the hell it is.
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Old December 5 2011, 03:18 AM   #2509
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Supes with a little edge and attitude works, and it's shocking how simple it seems to be even for Perez to introduce some believable human friction into Clark's relationships with other human beings.
So, basically what they've been doing with the character for the last 10-20 years.
Presactly.
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I guess just for me personally I don't see much difference story telling wise between now and say what we were getting a few months ago.
Because there really isn't any.
Yeah.

Don't get me wrong. There are some good stories and DC probably needed to clean out the continuity again. And it was probably almost worth it to get rid of the Lois-Superman marriage.

But except for Superman, there's almost nothing that DC is doing storywise that couldn't have been accomplished without a reboot, or at least by doing what used to be known as a "soft reboot" (ie, just ignore the stuff you don't want to write about).

To make matters worse, the one character that probably needed the reboot almost as much as Superman--Batman--was the one who was forced to keep most of the past ten or twenty years of built up detritus. His continuity is more screwed up than ever, what with the five Robins in five years or whatever.
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Old December 5 2011, 03:23 AM   #2510
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And Superman is really, really different than the old wooden boy scout that no one ever seemed to be able to spin into having an actual personality or attitude toward...anyone or anything, really.
All the "new" stuff with Superman has been more or less what they've been doing with Superman for the last ten years. Nothing new here.

I mean, I've been reading these things on and off since around 1959. I know the difference and can see it easily...
A difference in storytelling between now and 1959, sure. A difference in storytelling between now and the past few years, none at all.
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Old December 5 2011, 07:04 AM   #2511
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The relaunch has succeeded to this point sales wise yes. I don't know about in general though or how long they'll be able to maintain the grip they have on Marvel. The creative changes on various books and other nonsense would suggest to me that they've hit a home run but not gone for the cycle. It will be interesting to see where the 52 Verse at this time next year. DC still hasn't as of yet announced any big summer event plans for 2012 and aside from Grant Morrison's Multiversity which I do not believe has anything to do with the 52 Verse...there is probably something planned for their first 52 Verse Event.

I've enjoyed some things but miss the regular DCU. Nothing has blown me away.
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Old December 5 2011, 07:26 AM   #2512
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I'm interested in what 52 Phase 2 might bring. Doctor Fate? Spectre? Doctor Mid-Nite? Inferior Five?

I'm somewhat surprised we haven't see Dr. Mid-Nite or even Pieter Cross in the Mr. Terrific book yet. Pieter and Michael were pretty close friends in the previous continuity.
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Old December 5 2011, 07:34 AM   #2513
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It will be interesting for wave two if there even is a plan for more books. I suspect we'll have to wait for a while. We've not had any cancellations yet. They are probably still focusing on keeping all the original 52 books afloat. I could see mini-series planned.
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Old December 5 2011, 02:04 PM   #2514
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to me that they've hit a home run but not gone for the cycle. It will be interesting to see where the 52 Verse at this time next year. DC still hasn't as of yet announced any big summer event plans for 2012 ...
Actually, lack of crossovers is one of the best things about the relaunch so far. I hated, and dropped many a book because of, the publisher's insistence that every title turn into an incomplete chapter of some giant team - up.
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Old December 5 2011, 03:22 PM   #2515
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Superman now is different than, and better, then Byrne's reboot turned out to be after the first year or two (and I liked Byrne's version). It's different, and way more "human" than that "Birthright" shit. It's way better than the crap jms was doing, either in the regular series or "Earthe One." It's better than any of the "Secret Origin" stuff by Johns that I've read.

So much for 1959.
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Old December 5 2011, 07:30 PM   #2516
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Actually, lack of crossovers is one of the best things about the relaunch so far. I hated, and dropped many a book because of, the publisher's insistence that every title turn into an incomplete chapter of some giant team - up.
I'm sure they'll be back at some point, but yeah, I've never had any interest in these giant Flashpoint/Final Crisis/Brightest Day type events either. I don't mind an occasional cameo, but if I want to see a team-up story, I'll just read Justice League.
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Old December 5 2011, 09:15 PM   #2517
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to me that they've hit a home run but not gone for the cycle. It will be interesting to see where the 52 Verse at this time next year. DC still hasn't as of yet announced any big summer event plans for 2012 ...
Actually, lack of crossovers is one of the best things about the relaunch so far. I hated, and dropped many a book because of, the publisher's insistence that every title turn into an incomplete chapter of some giant team - up.
Swamp Thing and Animal Man apparently are going to cross over soon as is Frankenstein and OMAC.
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Old December 5 2011, 11:11 PM   #2518
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Actually, lack of crossovers is one of the best things about the relaunch so far. I hated, and dropped many a book because of, the publisher's insistence that every title turn into an incomplete chapter of some giant team - up.
We are three months in. DC is still re-establishing their characters and titles. The next big event will, no doubt, be back by next summer (with the next wave of titles spinning out from it). Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if DC makes some announcement by the sixth month mark.

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Superman now is different than, and better, then Byrne's reboot turned out to be after the first year or two (and I liked Byrne's version). It's different, and way more "human" than that "Birthright" shit. It's way better than the crap jms was doing, either in the regular series or "Earthe One." It's better than any of the "Secret Origin" stuff by Johns that I've read.
You might like this new story better than the last story, but that doesn't mean DC is writing things stylistically different from before (which they aren't).
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Old December 5 2011, 11:27 PM   #2519
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We'll probably hear or see something around March or April. Comic con obviously would be a little too late. I'm wondering if it will have to do with the Darkseid story being teased in Justice League or something else entirely. Or there is of course the possibility they'll do nothing at all and just continue to support the books own arcs...which I doubt.
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Old December 6 2011, 12:12 AM   #2520
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You might like this new story better than the last story, but that doesn't mean DC is writing things stylistically different from before (which they aren't).
I don't think redefining the style was really the main goal of this, so much as cleaning away a lot of the continuity and backstory for newer people. I think for the most part they've done that really well.

I'm an old-time DC fan, but it wasn't until now that I could pick up a newer Aquaman or Supergirl or Justice League book and understand what the hell was going on (without having to consult Wikipedia every 5 minutes, at least).
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