Intrepid class VS a galaxy class, which was more powerful and advanced

[T'Girl]

Deks wrote:

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1. We have no concrete evidence that suggests a larger ship would have 'more shield generators'.

it might be more accurate to say the Enterprise possesses more shield capacity, owing to it's large size and the need to enclose it.

2. Large warp core doesn't equate 'more power'.

A ships warp core is it's energy source, it's engine. All things being equal, a physically larger engine denotes more ability to generation power.

It could though mean that the Galaxy class can go on for 5 years without refilling

But that's not the warp core, that would be the antimatter storage or bottles, which are separate.

The Defiants proximity to the JemHadaar ships was of little consequence.
Phasers have a maximum effective range of 300 000 km

These two statements counterdict each other. If phaser emissions don't lose power over distance, then there wouldn't be a maximum effective range of only a single light second.

EmperorTiberius wrote:

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3. Longer phaser arrays with more space inside to house the supporting equipment

The phaser array isn't just what you see running along the outside of the hull. There would be a internal mechanism extending down into the ship. Regardless of the length of the strip, Voyager has less internal volume to have the same size mechanism as the Enterprise.

[Deks]

T'Girl wrote:

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it might be more accurate to say the Enterprise possesses more shield capacity, owing to it's large size and the need to enclose it.

Simply speaking = possible but unlikely given other on-screen evidence.

A ships warp core is it's energy source, it's engine. All things being equal, a physically larger engine denotes more ability to generation power.

In real life perhaps... nothing in trek we've seen indicates that a large core is able to output higher energy levels.

But that's not the warp core, that would be the antimatter storage or bottles, which are separate.

Voyager... early seasons, Janeway mentions during a tour that her ships Warp Core is able to go on for 3 years without refilling.
This can be superimposed onto other ships most-likely in terms of how long can a ship's core operate at peak efficiency before it has to be replenished.
The Enterprise-D was not mentioned on-screen that it can go on for 5 years in deep space, rather it's a non-canon statement (apparently per the TM - which isn't canon)... I'm only entertaining the notion for comparative purposes.
In which case, a smaller ship like the Intrepid could produce equal power levels like the Galaxy, but 'burn itself out' after 3 years, whereas the Galaxy can last 2 years extra.

These two statements counterdict each other. If phaser emissions don't lose power over distance, then there wouldn't be a maximum effective range of only a single light second.

They do not contradict each other.
I said the maximum effective range of phasers is 1 light second.
Just because we've seen ships within spitting distance to one another demonstrates idiocy of the VFX department in an attempt to make things look 'cool'.

EmperorTiberius wrote:

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The phaser array isn't just what you see running along the outside of the hull. There would be a internal mechanism extending down into the ship. Regardless of the length of the strip, Voyager has less internal volume to have the same size mechanism as the Enterprise.

Doesn't matter.
If the Defiant was able to pulverize the Dominion bug ships with pulse phasers at equally close range like the Oddysey was, then it demonstrates that small ships like the Defiant can be comparable or surpass larger ones in terms of destructive fire power.
Remember that the Defiant is a ship which was completely stripped down of virtually all luxuries which likely contributed to it being 'overpowered'.

In the same regard, the Intrepid class of the 24th century only has 2 holodecks and we've seen it house a crew of only 150.
Given the very small amount of 'amenities' for the crew on the Intrepid, it's core could probably easily power weapons and shields to the same levels of those on the Galaxy class.

As I said, equal power capacity in a smaller package, but the core empties faster compared to larger ships.

Same is most likely evident for the Defiant.

The Galaxy class can last longer in deep space due to it's size, but smaller ships producing such power levels would likely last shorter amount of time.

This wouldn't eliminate larger ships from the equation though.
Why would it?
SF sees it perfectly amicable to construct large ships and supplement their fleet with smaller ones of equal fire power/defenses which would usually be situated close to home or serve for deep space exploration (though in shorter intervals) like in the case of the Intrepid class (it's more than capable after all).

[T'Girl]

Deks wrote:

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They do not contradict each other. I said the maximum effective range of phasers is 1 light second.

And you also said that Defiant being close to the Jem'Hadar ship when it fired, delivered to the Starfleet vessel little advantage.

A phaser beam having a maximum range of only 300,000 kilometres, as opposed to more distance, means that the beam ceases to be a effective weapon upon exceeding that distance. It's no longer effective enough to reasonable be expected to damage it's target. In normal space, the beam would continue, it would not simply stop dead at 300,000 kilometres.

Conclusion, the sooner the beam strikes it's target, the more effective (and powerful) it will be.

Starships firing from a "point blank" distance of only a few kilometres or tens of kilometers, would serve the purpose of not allowing the phaser beam to begin the process of losing effectiveness. The Defiant's proximity to the Jem'Hadar vessels was of considerable consequence. It permitted the Defiant to do something that it wouldn't necessarily have been able to do from maximum range, damage and destroy the enemy.

Just because we've seen ships within spitting distance to one another demonstrates idiocy of the VFX department in an attempt to make things look 'cool'.

Unlike the contents of tech manuals, starships being "within spitting distance to one another" is a matter of canon, and the fact they do so has to be taken into account.

[jpch]

T'Girl wrote:

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We've seen the Enterprise fire ten torpedoes at once, out of a single tube, indicating that her tubes possess a larger diameter.

And the number of phaser strips has to do with covering firing arcs, and nothing to do with fire power. You can fire from a single "spot' on one strip with 100% of available power, or ten spots simultaneously with 10% power. If the Voyager possessed 120 strips, that would not give her 10 time the fire power of a Enterprise.

And apparently had the manufacturing ability to make more.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Voyager fired them one at a time.

Hey, remember when the Enterprise's chief medical officer (while in command) did that for the first time, years before Voyager did?

While the Enterprise's shield survived an attack from a Borg full size cube.

Verbal statements by the production staff, while interesting, are non-canon.

Hardly, the Enterprise greater size requires a larger warp field enclosure, and therefor greater power generation. Power that if feed into the weapons system (or other systems) would exceed Voyager generation capacity.

Owing to it small size and weight, Voyager is faster, and likely more maneuverable. Because of it's small warp field envelope, Voyager's warp core can produce less power and reach higher speeds. But that also mean less power for all those phaser strips.


Yet in spite of this "fact," the Enterprise can cruise for long periods of time at warp speed, while the Voyager for some reason is frequently seen in the middle of interstellar space traveling at impulse speeds (no pretty streaky lights).

The AIM 7 (sparrow) missile has a 88 pound warhead, a AIM 9 (sidewinder) missile has a 20.8 pound warhead.

Simply having a higher number, doesn't automatically indicate a more powerful weapon. The Voyager torpedoes might carry a different model number, because her torpedo tubes are smaller.

If Voyager can carry them, likely other Starfleet ships can carry them as well. Various types of US Navy submarines carry the same model of torpedo.

Would Picard, Kirk or Sisko have fallen for the same trick?

Yes, quite old.

the majority of Starfleet starship are "multi-mission.

We've seen LaForge divert power, and turn off unnecessary systems before.

you just hate the show admit it ur turning this into TNG vs VOY not worth my time.

<<Owing to it small size and weight, Voyager is faster, and likely more maneuverable. Because of it's small warp field envelope, Voyager's warp core can produce less power and reach higher speeds. But that also mean less power for all those phaser strips>> i just explained to you in space weight doesent matter u still comback with kinda a retarded argument.

[BlackHowling]

The Defiant Class was the first "Warship" designed by Starfleet. Though they defined her role as "Escort" Since warships went against the "Peaceful" exploration doctrine of the federation.

Galaxy Class, Designed to be a Long Range Exploration/Science platform with a Large Crew compliment complete with modular labs. 340 degree phaser Coverage Dorsal 320 degree ventral. In other words plush crew comfort for extended missions.
Length: 642.51 meters Width: 463.73 meters Height: 195.26 meters Weight: 4,500,000 metric tons 42 Decks

Cruising Speed Warp 6
Max Speed Warp 9.6 for 3 hours..

Intrepid Class, Light Exploration/Scouting Basically the same as above Just scaled down. And intended to work either closer into federation space or as a support vessel in a larger fleet.
Length: 352.5 meters Width: 144.84 meters Height: 55.42 meters Weight: 700,000 metric tons 15 Decks.
Cruising Speed Warp 7.5
Maximum Speed 9.975 for 13 hours


So power wise, Galaxy Class but it's not really a fair comparison to be making.. It's like Comparing a Frigate to a Ship of the Line.. They each fill there designed roll better then the other could ever fill the others' roll so In my opinion it's a Tie between them..

[jpch]

this is gonna keep going because fan boys refuse the truth,its too hard for them.

lets try and make it realistic as possible.


1-Shields : Intrepid are clearly more advanced(10years) capable of protecting the ship not from heavy fire but from many anomalies as well(''Scientific methode'' voyagers massive shields protected it inside 2 superstars)(''think tank'' Voy Shields repelled all damage from an Exploding planet,then protected the ship from a huge gas eruption)in addition with a mark9 warp core an intrepid can produce more power to go faster(warp 9.975) and reroute more energy to shields if needed.


2-Hull : Hull integrity is determined by 3 factors overall Volume,armor,structural integrity fields.
Volume goes to a Galaxy with X5 times the size of an intrepid.
armor is the same on both these classes.(unarmored)
integrity field clearly goes to Intrepid after what Voyager suffered in year of hell and kept going i think its not so hard for any person with a brain to admit that,and i recall so many times in TNG a few blows to the hull and captain warp core is overloading the ship is gonna be destroyed lol (USS Yamato,Odyssey,Enterprise D...list goes on)
But with 5 times the hull volume i will be more then enough to match it.

3-weapons:

Phasers : Galaxy class 11 arrays Intrepid 14 arrays,clearly intrepid wins.
something that people also should consider that we barely saw the galaxy firing more then 2 arrays at once while we have seen on screen the intrepid fire a lot more simultaneously.

Torpedoes : Intrepid 4 launchers Galaxy 2 Launchers in numbers the advantage is for intrepid.

Compliment: Galaxy wins this without a contest 250 is a huge amount,while the intrepid considering its volume only have 50 at its disposal.

Warhead types : Galaxy is limited to mark4-5 photon torpedoes while an intrepid has mark6 and mark9(heavy yield)
as well as spatial charges and tricobalt devices capable of making a tare in subspace far superior firepower but very small supply of them.

Weapons wise the quantity and effeciency in long battles or multiple battles goes to the Galaxy tho quality wise and instant and fast assaults the advantage goes to the intrepid.

do not post idiotic stuff like Galaxy class has larger arrays=more power,that was never stated on screen and people tend to forget that so many tiny ships produce far more firepower then large ones in trek universe like the Defiant or species 8472 bioships.


4-Speeds :

Galaxy class

impulse engines : <.< not even a contest Galaxy in most battles is a slow as a snail,usually stationary in combat.

Warp speed : very fast ship warp 9.6 max


Intrepid class

impulse engines : very fast and highly maneuverable only Federation starship that can maneuver the plasma storms int he badlans...we even saw the ships out-speed theta radiation wave at impulse etc...

Warp speed : uber speed warp 9.975 fastest federation starship on record before the Prometheus class.


All that i stated in on screen evidence and cannon,if want to argue try doing so with something genuine not stupid and illogical.

The Verdict :

Intrepid : Shields : 9/10

Hull : 6/10

Weapons: 7/10

Speed : 10/10



Galaxy : Shields : 7/10

Hull : 8/10

Weapons: 8/10

Speed : 6/10


those are the factors i think you should consider when comparing strength between ships in trek.