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Old December 3 2011, 12:52 AM   #691
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Re: The Walking Dead Season 2 Discussion *Spoilers*

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some of you people really need to read the comics. this season they relied heavily on the comic book series. I won't say what but trust me you need to read it and then go back and watch the show.
Nah, not me, I don't want spoilers
Exactly. I'll check out the comic after the series has wrapped.
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Old December 3 2011, 11:58 AM   #692
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Did a virus outright kill some; zombify others either immediately, upon their death, or upon their being bitten; and the few were immune (Jenner's secret)? If a bite is required, then how did the first zombie originate? If the virus caused zombify action directly, then all would likely be carriers, right?
Actually this could work. The virus was airborne and spreading really, really fast pandemic-style. It immediately killed some of the people in the world with high fever and infection, zombified others and then it just mutated into what we are seeing now. If the virus was transmitted through bites all the way in the beginning... that really doesn't hold up.
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Old December 3 2011, 06:40 PM   #693
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On a different note. If we're assuming that everyone has the Zombie virus, that when you die, you become a Walker... one of the "side effects" is a regenerative power that works for most injuries (like gun shots & arrows) , but not against the Zombie killer bacteria. That's how a guy who was in a coma & dehydrated can make it out alive, or Carl & Daryl recovering in 2 daYA or Merle making it out... That's my quasi-serious fan theory on that.
Actually that's not a bad theory. More importantly, it provides a plausible theory as to the origin of the plague in the first place.

I've always thought that one good rationale for a zombie outbreak is malfunctioning nano-bots that were designed as medical aids to keep people (most likely soldiers alive). The bots were designed to keep the host alive and mobile at all costs. The problem was that their programing was both good and flawed. The same directive that made them keep the host "alive" had the unintended consequence of killing the host. In order to stay mobile, the bots intern recognized that they had to take over the body's command center and thus assumes control over the brain. Equally significant is the fact that the bots, in order to constantly repair damaged tissue and keep the lumbering body functional would need constant injections of new organic material. In a living being this would not be a problem as it would simply eat what it needs, break down the components and the bots would use the materials to keep things moving. But since the nanobots killed the body, digestion and recirculation no longer occurs. Thus the machines program the whats left of the body to seek out healthy organic material similar to that of the host...in this case a healthy human. It tries to consume additional human material and tries to make repairs. Its never fully successful since the body is dead. The bots are just too dumb to recognize that their program has already failed...so they keep going until someone destroys the neural net put in place to keep the body mobile in the brain. This scenario also explains why the zombie plague is immune to traditional medicine. No doctor would have experience treating organic being suffering from a mechanical infection. Jenner could actually see what was happening but have no concept of how to treat the virus since what he was looking at was not a virus. Its the same basic premise as the medical nano technology that mutates humans into childlike monsters in "The Empty Child" on Doctor Who.

This concept makes zombies less a metaphysical menace, but one of human origin. The tragedy is that it was not even created as a weapon but a beneficial technology that was both imperfect yet worked a little too well.

i really like this theory...and can imagine some attempt to create a worldwide instant radio signal (either to address to the nanobots, perhaps to have them come home; or the radio signal may have nothing to do with the nanobots). However, this signal has the adverse effect of activating the zombie plague and have it happen instantaneously everywhere, so that all the troops & police are all spread out, and can't coordinate effectively (as opposed to it starting 1 or 2 areas).
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Old December 3 2011, 06:41 PM   #694
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Re: The Walking Dead Season 2 Discussion *Spoilers*

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some of you people really need to read the comics. this season they relied heavily on the comic book series. I won't say what but trust me you need to read it and then go back and watch the show.
Nah, not me, I don't want spoilers
Exactly. I'll check out the comic after the series has wrapped.
i understand that the comics are in volumes, and issues 1-6, which were 1st season , are out there. So you shouldn't get spoilers, though you might get speculation ideas. Haven't checked them out yet, myself, though.
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Old December 3 2011, 06:54 PM   #695
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What Hershel saw (and how it changed him)

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One of the things I don't understand is not one single person in the group even remotely mentions to Herschel the fact that they were at the CDC and they pretty much knew what the "disease" is/does.
Herschel apparently believes that it's possible to cure people who are suffering mortal wounds, fatal blood loss, and their organs hanging out. And he believes all this despite being a doctor. (Yes, I know what kind.) His medical knowledge should inform him what is and isn't possible.

It doesn't matter what you tell him. Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

His medical knowledge would also tell him that the dead don't just rise from the dead and eat living people. But there's the new reality, that science would have said was ridiculous.


Here's what i think Hershel saw, that ingrained in him.

Remember the Shane flashbacks where soldiers were killing people who weren't walkers yet, but were infected?

I bet what he saw were some viral videos where we saw soldiers who had gone off the deep end, and lost all of their sympathy and callously (perhaps with an evil glee) shot people who had the virus but still had moments of lucidity to let the viewing world, that at that moment, they were STILL human. Shooting them in the head at that point might have been "practical", but it was still inhuman in how they addressed those people.

I also remember Jim...they "should" have shot him in the had, but he was still human enough to say goodbye and let him be. That's probably how most of us would treat infected people, especially those we know.

AIDS was similar to the zombie plague in the beginning -- when you had the virus, it WAS a death sentence. But drugs were developed so that people like Magic Johnson could celebrate 20 years of living despite the death sentence.

How unrealistic would be for Hershel to have that same hope in mind?

Again, as others mentioned, he hadn't seen some of the realities of the Walkers before (i.e. shooting them and them NOT going down).
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Old December 3 2011, 07:08 PM   #696
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Re: The Walking Dead Season 2 Discussion *Spoilers*

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Nah, not me, I don't want spoilers
Exactly. I'll check out the comic after the series has wrapped.
i understand that the comics are in volumes, and issues 1-6, which were 1st season , are out there. So you shouldn't get spoilers, though you might get speculation ideas. Haven't checked them out yet, myself, though.

okay the comic series I think is up to issue #91 but there are #13 graphic novels which collect 6 issues each. and there is a prelude novel dealing with one of the biggest villians in the series.
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Old December 3 2011, 07:10 PM   #697
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Just watched 2.7, great ep but....

Why the hell did they put "Madison Lintz" on the guest starring bit at the start??? Great way to totally ruin the surprise by knowing that at some point she was gonna be in this episode.
(Yes I am such a nerd that I read the titles, and for some reason know that actress' name)




As for the 'zombie virus,' I've always felt Ken Foree's theory explains it best-
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Old December 3 2011, 08:25 PM   #698
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Just watched 2.7, great ep but....

Why the hell did they put "Madison Lintz" on the guest starring bit at the start??? Great way to totally ruin the surprise by knowing that at some point she was gonna be in this episode.
(Yes I am such a nerd that I read the titles, and for some reason know that actress' name)




As for the 'zombie virus,' I've always felt Ken Foree's theory explains it best-
Here and here
Was it really a spoiler? Considering it was advertised as a mid-season finale, we were expecting her in some way. but it's how she appeared that was a "pleasant" surprise.

here's a youtube clip that's mini-documentary of that scene
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Old December 3 2011, 11:21 PM   #699
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I also remember Jim...they "should" have shot him in the had, but he was still human enough to say goodbye and let him be. That's probably how most of us would treat infected people, especially those we know.
That was a dumb decision. They should have let Daryl shoot him in the head. After Jim turns into a walker, he will become a danger to anyone that comes near him on that road.
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Old December 3 2011, 11:47 PM   #700
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Exactly. I'll check out the comic after the series has wrapped.
i understand that the comics are in volumes, and issues 1-6, which were 1st season , are out there. So you shouldn't get spoilers, though you might get speculation ideas. Haven't checked them out yet, myself, though.

okay the comic series I think is up to issue #91 but there are #13 graphic novels which collect 6 issues each. and there is a prelude novel dealing with one of the biggest villians in the series.
At this point, there are no "spoilers." Even if you read the comic and something happens there, there's a decent chance that it's not going to happen that way in the comic. Even if events happen similarly, it's not going to be a spoiler in the way that you know it's going to happen and when.
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Old December 3 2011, 11:56 PM   #701
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The nano-bot/superhealing theory is interesting. There does seem to be another shoe that needs to drop on the medical front.
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Old December 4 2011, 01:36 AM   #702
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I finally watched the episode. Yeah, I was spoiled. Irrelevant since I wanted to watch it anyway.

My reaction? Damn! For a dead girl, Sophia got pretty tall! If that was the same actress in the scene where she gets shot, she looks almost as tall as Rick. Of course she had to die. She grew too fast in a "week."
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Old December 4 2011, 03:59 AM   #703
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On a different note. If we're assuming that everyone has the Zombie virus, that when you die, you become a Walker... one of the "side effects" is a regenerative power that works for most injuries (like gun shots & arrows) , but not against the Zombie killer bacteria. That's how a guy who was in a coma & dehydrated can make it out alive, or Carl & Daryl recovering in 2 daYA or Merle making it out... That's my quasi-serious fan theory on that.
Actually that's not a bad theory. More importantly, it provides a plausible theory as to the origin of the plague in the first place.

I've always thought that one good rationale for a zombie outbreak is malfunctioning nano-bots that were designed as medical aids to keep people (most likely soldiers alive). The bots were designed to keep the host alive and mobile at all costs. The problem was that their programing was both good and flawed. The same directive that made them keep the host "alive" had the unintended consequence of killing the host. In order to stay mobile, the bots intern recognized that they had to take over the body's command center and thus assumes control over the brain. Equally significant is the fact that the bots, in order to constantly repair damaged tissue and keep the lumbering body functional would need constant injections of new organic material. In a living being this would not be a problem as it would simply eat what it needs, break down the components and the bots would use the materials to keep things moving. But since the nanobots killed the body, digestion and recirculation no longer occurs. Thus the machines program the whats left of the body to seek out healthy organic material similar to that of the host...in this case a healthy human. It tries to consume additional human material and tries to make repairs. Its never fully successful since the body is dead. The bots are just too dumb to recognize that their program has already failed...so they keep going until someone destroys the neural net put in place to keep the body mobile in the brain. This scenario also explains why the zombie plague is immune to traditional medicine. No doctor would have experience treating organic being suffering from a mechanical infection. Jenner could actually see what was happening but have no concept of how to treat the virus since what he was looking at was not a virus. Its the same basic premise as the medical nano technology that mutates humans into childlike monsters in "The Empty Child" on Doctor Who.

This concept makes zombies less a metaphysical menace, but one of human origin. The tragedy is that it was not even created as a weapon but a beneficial technology that was both imperfect yet worked a little too well.
I doubt the show will ever go into any detailed explanation, but yours is actually kind of clever.
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Old December 4 2011, 10:38 AM   #704
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It's nice to see everybody hugging her at the end.
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Was it really a spoiler? Considering it was advertised as a mid-season finale, we were expecting her in some way. but it's how she appeared that was a "pleasant" surprise.

here's a youtube clip that's mini-documentary of that scene
That was a great behind the scenes video ) I don't know why, I never get tired of watching then do movie makeup and explain how they do it.
Zombie Makeup is some of the best but even star trek behind the scenes stuff has some great makeup explainations,

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