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View Poll Results: Rate Rise Like Lions.
Outstanding 55 62.50%
Above Average 29 32.95%
Average 2 2.27%
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Old December 2 2011, 04:38 AM   #31
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Re: Star Trek: Mirror Universe: Rise Like Lions review thread (spoiler

Wonderful, wonderful novel. There were times I found myself quietly saying "Yes!" due to exciting parts in the novel.

And the ending....whoa boy!
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Old December 2 2011, 04:44 AM   #32
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Re: Star Trek: Mirror Universe: Rise Like Lions review thread (spoiler

So does this leave anything thing open for future MU stories? As much I've been looking forward to this, I'm kinda sad if it means we won't be getting any new Novelverse MU stories.
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Old December 2 2011, 05:15 AM   #33
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^ I resolved several ongoing arcs, but I've planted the seeds of future tales. If S&S wants to do more MU stories, there are, as Spock said, "always possibilities."
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Old December 2 2011, 08:06 AM   #34
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The Mirror Universe is probably my favorite ongoing arc from Star Trek, plus I'm a big parallel universe fan so I've been waiting for this book for two years.


Waiting for the sequel, or better yet another MU anthology that can pick up multiple threads.

Congrats to David Mack on an excellent book!

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Old December 2 2011, 03:34 PM   #35
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Just picked up my copy yesterday. Reading now and enjoying so far -- a new David Mack novel is always a treat.

Random question, however, and this is probably as appropriate a place to ask as any:

On your Facebook page, David Mack, you say that you are the author of the short novel Saturn's Children in the Obsidian Alliances anthology, written under the pseudonym "Sarah Shaw." May I ask what the story is behind the decision to use a pseudonym?
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Old December 2 2011, 08:12 PM   #36
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^ I was wondering how long it would take someone to notice that.

Now that all the parties involved have moved on to other things, the story can finally be told. It was a simple miscommunication between the editors, Marco Palmieri and Margaret Clark, during the planning of the first two anthologies. Margaret was editing and acquiring stories for Glass Empires, and Marco was in charge of Obsidian Alliances.

Marco contacted me first and offered me the chance to write the DS9 story in Obsidian Alliances, and I accepted immediately. Not long afterward, I was contacted by Margaret, who asked me to write the rise and fall of Spock's reign for Glass Empires. In need of paying work, I accepted that offer, as well.

It was only after I'd committed to both gigs, and my agent had brokered the deals, that the editors conferred and realized what they'd done. I won't say which one had dibs and which one messed up, but they were concerned about having my name on stories in both anthologies for a couple of reasons:

1. They were worried that other writers would be ticked off that i got two bites at the apple when some of them didn't get to play; and

2. They were concerned the fans might be upset at a lack of authorial variety.

At the same time, they couldn't just rescind an offer that had already been made to my agent, so it was decided to have me write one of the two stories under pseudonym. I was given the choice of which story I wanted to write as David Mack and which under pseudonym. I am proud of both stories, and was bummed I couldn't immediately accept credit (or blame) for both, but I eventually decided that The Sorrows of Empire was a bit closer to my heart.

Funny thing about writing under a pseudonym. It freed me up, in a sense, to approach Saturn's Children with a different style. I wrote it much more quickly than I normally do, and by imagining I was a different author I ended up working from a different mindset. It was an intriguing experience.

After the books came out, I had to stay mum about the pseudonym because both editors were still acquiring stories for Star Trek. Now that Marco and Margaret have both moved on (against their will, but that's neither here nor there), I saw no reason to maintain the pretense.
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Old December 2 2011, 08:16 PM   #37
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^I probably asked you why you chose "Sarah Shaw" as your pseudonym when you told me this story last year, but I've forgotten.
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Old December 2 2011, 08:26 PM   #38
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10 billions deaths is not a high body count??
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Old December 2 2011, 08:26 PM   #39
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Congrats to David Mack on an excellent book!
First, I'm glad you liked the book. Thanks for the kind words.

As to some of your questions, I have speculative answers to some, but I'm keeping those under my hat for the time being, just in case I end up writing another Mirror Universe novel someday. Let's just say that if one combined the TV series Fringe with the TNG episode "Parallels," one would have a good idea where Memory Omega is getting its brilliant technology.

Regarding the Klingons' and Cardassians' slaughter of their former-Terran Empire slaves, my thinking was that they each eliminated only those within their unique sphere of control — i.e., inside the Cardassian Union and the Klingon Empire proper; the jointly controlled territory of the Alliance, which included the former Terran worlds, would not be under either power's exclusive jurisdiction, nor would it harbor any targets of strategic value equal to those inside the native territories. That's why the Purges didn't hit those worlds to anywhere near the same degree.

As for the "class" of the MU Enterprise and her sister ships, I saw them as being something completely different from anything we've ever seen before. I avoided naming their "class" for exactly that reason, and chose to refer to them simply as "jaunt ships" (a nod to a classic Stephen King short story, "The Jaunt".)

While I understand why some readers might think this could have been a 600-page story, I think the story is exactly the length it needed to be. Some things are better left to the imagination, in my opinion, and it's always fun to leave room for future explorations.
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Old December 2 2011, 08:26 PM   #40
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Hmm. Well, heck, now I'll have to track down a copy of Obsidian Alliances. I wasn't interested in Saturn's Children until I found out Mack wrote it.
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Old December 2 2011, 08:27 PM   #41
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^I probably asked you why you chose "Sarah Shaw" as your pseudonym when you told me this story last year, but I've forgotten.
I just liked the sound of it, and Marco asked me to pick a name that would "throw people off the scent" as much as possible.

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10 billions deaths is not a high body count??
I never said it wasn't. It's all relative, don'tcha know?
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Old December 2 2011, 08:33 PM   #42
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10 billions deaths is not a high body count??
Pffft. Ten billion is only one-sixth of his record.
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Old December 2 2011, 08:35 PM   #43
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^Are you J. Noah Kym as well by any chance?
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Old December 2 2011, 08:40 PM   #44
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There were clues if you look closely, Parek Tonn was mentioned in Saturn's Children, and appeared in Warpath.
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Old December 2 2011, 08:55 PM   #45
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So I guess you wrote the two highest rated stories in my reviews of the two short novel anthologies David.
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