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View Poll Results: Rate Rise Like Lions.
Outstanding 55 62.50%
Above Average 29 32.95%
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Old November 30 2011, 08:44 AM   #16
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Re: Star Trek: Mirror Universe: Rise Like Lions review thread (spoiler

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Two Selars??
Greg Cox's "Worst of Both Worlds" from the Glass Empires TPB also has a mirror-Selar.

That story also has some issues regarding Picard recognizing several Betazoids on Celtris III and when exactly the mirror-Earth fell (or perhaps the Alliance just left Chateau Picard untroubled for several decades).
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Old November 30 2011, 09:13 PM   #17
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Re: Star Trek: Mirror Universe: Rise Like Lions review thread (spoiler

Why are ther two Selars?
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Old November 30 2011, 09:23 PM   #18
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Why are ther two Selars?
Selar is
in "Worst of Both Worlds" but appears in the mirror NF story "Homecoming" by PAD. Probably retconnable.
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Old November 30 2011, 10:32 PM   #19
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Re: Star Trek: Mirror Universe: Rise Like Lions review thread (spoiler

^ The claim of Selar having taken her own life was never verified, and because it occurred "off-screen," it was retconned at some point — I think in one of the stories in the Shards and Shadows anthology (though I might be mistaken about that).

Regardless of whether that retcon actually happened in print, I recall discussing this particular continuity point with both Greg Cox and Peter David at some point, and it was mutually agreed that the discontinuity was far from uncorrectable. So I say chalk up reports of Selar's demise to propaganda and move on.
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Old November 30 2011, 11:10 PM   #20
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I'm a few chapters in and really enjoying the novel. I've picked up on thematic similarities with "What You Leave Behind", as well as Ezri and Leeta looking across the bridge at each other during the battle, just as Ezri and Bashir did in the episode.
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Old December 1 2011, 01:08 AM   #21
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^ The claim of Selar having taken her own life was never verified, and because it occurred "off-screen," it was retconned at some point — I think in one of the stories in the Shards and Shadows anthology (though I might be mistaken about that).

Regardless of whether that retcon actually happened in print, I recall discussing this particular continuity point with both Greg Cox and Peter David at some point, and it was mutually agreed that the discontinuity was far from uncorrectable. So I say chalk up reports of Selar's demise to propaganda and move on.
LOL, in Star Trek even if you have a dead body it doesn't mean anything! Plus Vulcans would be able to "play dead" with their control over fine motor functions, breathing, etc.

Anyway, Amazon is delivering the book to me tonight. I've been looking forward to reading it for two years -- the most anticipated book on the schedule for me. I'm really interested in seeing how mirror-NF ties in. Just re-read the two NF stories and the Turnaround comic to refresh my memory.
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Old December 1 2011, 03:02 AM   #22
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^ Just FYI, I wasn't able to reconcile the Turnaround comics with what has been going on in the prose fiction, so don't knock yourself out trying to find connections. Just consider the NF sections of Rise Like Lions in the context of Cutting Ties and "Homecoming."
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Old December 1 2011, 04:36 AM   #23
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^ Interesting. Was it just the timing of it, or were there plot elements that didn't fit? (It's been a while since I read Turnaround...)
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Old December 1 2011, 06:08 AM   #24
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A bit of both. Mostly, it just didn't track with where I needed the novel to go, so I adhered to the literary depictions of ST:NF in the Mirror Universe and let the comic continuity go.
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Old December 1 2011, 11:57 AM   #25
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I just finished the book, and I really did find it outstanding. I was never a huge fan of the MU as depicted on television on DS9, but I believe the literary efforts regarding the MU have been great. David, you did a great job pulling together all the various plot threads. I particularly enjoyed the development of O'Brien. Really an excellent book. Now I am anxious for your upcoming trilogy!
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Old December 1 2011, 10:14 PM   #26
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I should have it by tomorrow and will start on it NLT Saturday. Should I expect a high body count?
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Old December 1 2011, 10:22 PM   #27
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^ Define "high."
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Old December 2 2011, 01:05 AM   #28
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^ I'm about 2/3 of the way through. The number just went from around 60 million to over 10 billion.
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Old December 2 2011, 01:24 AM   #29
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^ Okay, so a few.
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Old December 2 2011, 01:57 AM   #30
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Okay, finished Rise Like Lions. Good thing I had nothing planned for this afternoon. Pretty amazing, congrats David! I can see why Turnaround just couldn't be tied into your book, you would have had to have the characters spin their wheels for two years to catch up to that story's setting, let alone deal with the time-warping shunt drive technology from the Paradox that kinda comes out of nowhere. Bit of a shame that calling ships "him" instead of "her" didn't make it over though.

Oh, didn't Sisko called mirror-Jadzia "Dax" in "Through the Looking Glass"? Still that was a cool sub-plot.

I'll hold off on writing some more in depth thoughts until I can read up on how to properly code spoilers.
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