The Walking Dead Season 2 Discussion *Spoilers* - Page 40

Tom Hendricks · November 28 2011, 10:51 PM

There was a nasty bite on her left shoulder.

Kosh Naranek wrote:

So are we to assume that Sophia got bitten somewhere near the creek bed? Was it only a day or two before Otis shot Carl? I cannot recall.

However, it does seem to me that the virus must have had a really short period of incubation in Sophia. They could not have put her in the barn before transition. She would have been Zombie fodder.

I did not notice any major wounds when she staggered out the the barn.

Silvercrest · November 28 2011, 10:54 PM

PKerr wrote:

One of the things I don't understand is not one single person in the group even remotely mentions to Herschel the fact that they were at the CDC and they pretty much knew what the "disease" is/does.

Herschel apparently believes that it's possible to cure people who are suffering mortal wounds, fatal blood loss, and their organs hanging out. And he believes all this despite being a doctor. (Yes, I know what kind.) His medical knowledge should inform him what is and isn't possible.

It doesn't matter what you tell him. Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

chardman · November 28 2011, 11:14 PM

This show keeps amazing me. A few year's back, had you told me that a TV show about the zombie apocalypse would be able to move me to tears... I would have laughed in your face. And yet, this show has indeed moved me to tears, and on several occasions. But that last scene in front of the barn, though not wholly unexpected, was utterly devastating. Just... wow.

Tom Hendricks · November 28 2011, 11:31 PM

One observation about Dale. I don't know if this done on purpose or just my reading into it. Most characters on a show with the information that Dale has, would blurt it out. In trying to protect Andrea, try to show what kind of man Shane is. Then of course Shane would deny it and Dale would loose his credibility, until the time he is proven correct but by that time the Dale type character is usually dead.

It started with his ruse about the water hose. Then continued with him talking to Lori then Herschel about the walkers in the barn. It looks like Dale is trying to be smarter and learning from the game he is playing.

RJDiogenes · November 29 2011, 12:03 AM

Oh, man, that sucked. I wish they didn't do that. All I can think of is that poor little girl running away down the hill with her doll in her hand.

But, of course, it was another fantastic episode. Shane is now the chief engineer on the Crazy Train, Herschel has had to face the truth about zombies, Rick's best efforts at diplomacy were swept away, Glenn won over Maggie, and Daryl and Dale continue to be cool. I wonder what will become of Carol now.

Temis the Vorta wrote:

RJDiogenes wrote:

Oh, man, I dread watching this now.

And that's a good thing. Imagine having a zombie show you don't dread watching. What's the point of it being a zombie show, then?

Absolutely. For the last however-many years, the token shocking death of a major character in a TV show hasn't been worth much more than a rolleyes, but this one was really a wrencher. It really helps when you have people who know how to write.

the G-man · November 29 2011, 12:09 AM

Silvercrest wrote:

PKerr wrote:

One of the things I don't understand is not one single person in the group even remotely mentions to Herschel the fact that they were at the CDC and they pretty much knew what the "disease" is/does.

Herschel apparently believes that it's possible to cure people who are suffering mortal wounds, fatal blood loss, and their organs hanging out. And he believes all this despite being a doctor. (Yes, I know what kind.) His medical knowledge should inform him what is and isn't possible.

It doesn't matter what you tell him. Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

Yeah, this is about (for lack of better term) a good man suffering from something like PTSD.

Sindatur · November 29 2011, 12:12 AM

Silvercrest wrote:

PKerr wrote:

One of the things I don't understand is not one single person in the group even remotely mentions to Herschel the fact that they were at the CDC and they pretty much knew what the "disease" is/does.

Herschel apparently believes that it's possible to cure people who are suffering mortal wounds, fatal blood loss, and their organs hanging out. And he believes all this despite being a doctor. (Yes, I know what kind.) His medical knowledge should inform him what is and isn't possible.

It doesn't matter what you tell him. Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

I recall Rick looking like he was about to tell him about the CDC and try to reason with him, but, got the impression he didn't bother, figuring it wouldn't do any good, Herschel wouldn't hear him.

It's pretty much an unwritten taboo, not to kill children on TV Shows (certainly not by showing them being shot in the head), so, that in itself is a pretty bold move.

Borgminister · November 29 2011, 12:37 AM

Will somebody think of the (zombie) children!?

mr.peany · November 29 2011, 12:55 AM

I wonder how they will explain not telling the group about Sophia being in the barn. Someone other than Otis had to know. For one, the lady feeding the chickens to the horde. I do hope that this is addressed properly.

O'Dib · November 29 2011, 01:05 AM

the G-man wrote:

Given that a comic book characters don't have to age, but actors do, I wonder how the producers plan to deal with Carl. If the show is supposed to have taken place over the space of a few weeks (to date) since Rick woke up, but it takes "x" years to film all the episodes, they're either going to have to recast him or write him off.

That was part of why Walt was written off "Lost" as I recall.

Good point. I suspect we'll be left with just the baby in the group at some point. They're pretty easy to recast constantly. Or they'll dig in somewhere like the Hershel farm and we'll get a time jump to explain Carl.

the G-man · November 29 2011, 01:47 AM

RJDiogenes wrote:

Oh, man, that sucked. I wish they didn't do that. All I can think of is that poor little girl running away down the hill with her doll in her hand...this one was really a wrencher.

It didn't really affect me that way.

It was good from a dramatic sense because it shows that the program isn't going to shy away from killing regular characters, including kids. And the reveal was well done, even with the AICN spoilers.

However, Sophia's character wasn't that developed for me to find it "wrenching." Losing someone like Glenn or Daryl (who has probably the most interesting arc of the show thus far, going from "redneck jerk" to "the guy even the black character can count on") would bother me a lot more because the writers have made them worth caring about.

Caliburn24 · November 29 2011, 03:27 AM

Just watched the mid-season finale. It wasn't perfect, but the show is moving again instead of just spinning its wheels. I think in hindsight the first half of season two wasn't bad, but it was rather bloated and padded. It could easily have been a tight fast moving three episodes or so, and covered every single plot point.

And without delving into spoilers(which I don't keep up on) I have the distinct impression that the back half of the season is going to be a relative bloodbath(haven't read the comics, no idea about any of that stuff). AMC wants to cut costs and that means in part a smaller cast. And with all the foreshadowing I think we'll probably see at least three of the cast killed by the end of season two. I'm thinking Carol, Dale, maybe Shane, maybe Daryl, almost certainly Hershel, maybe T-Dawg or whatever the black guy is named.

WeAreTheBorg · November 29 2011, 03:57 AM

I don't know how any of you can live with yourself reading spoilers about an episode as shocking as that one. Man what an ending! It was so perfect yet so wrong and horrible.

WeAreTheBorg · November 29 2011, 04:02 AM

Silvercrest wrote:

PKerr wrote:

One of the things I don't understand is not one single person in the group even remotely mentions to Herschel the fact that they were at the CDC and they pretty much knew what the "disease" is/does.

Herschel apparently believes that it's possible to cure people who are suffering mortal wounds, fatal blood loss, and their organs hanging out. And he believes all this despite being a doctor. (Yes, I know what kind.) His medical knowledge should inform him what is and isn't possible.

It doesn't matter what you tell him. Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

In his defense I don't think he ever saw any with organs hanging out etc. Like Rick keeps saying, he's sheltered and hasn't seen how things really are. You could see that with the daughter when Glenn chopped his head mostly off and it kept standing the penny dropped for her. And when Shane shot the walker he was wrangling like 8 times in a chest and she kept going Hershel looked baffled too. I think that was his moment of realization.

sidious618 · November 29 2011, 04:05 AM

This was a damn good episode, the best one since the premiere this season. I was really letdown by most of the episodes in between but this one was a corker. The ending was heartbreaking, watching Hershel see his family get slaughtered and then seeing Sophia come out. Damn. It really felt like a massacre as they shot the zombies.

That said, this show needs to get rolling again because this farm arc felt like a massive stall and as good as this episode was it doesn't make up for everything that came before.

Someone needs to kill Shane. He's as dangerous as the zombies.

November 28 2011, 11:14 PM	#588
chardman Vice Admiral Location: The densely wooded mountains of Indianapolis	Re: The Walking Dead Season 2 Discussion Spoilers This show keeps amazing me. A few year's back, had you told me that a TV show about the zombie apocalypse would be able to move me to tears... I would have laughed in your face. And yet, this show has indeed moved me to tears, and on several occasions. But that last scene in front of the barn, though not wholly unexpected, was utterly devastating. Just... wow. __________________ "Two things that Teabaggers hate: being called 'racist', and black people." - Bill Maher "Prying the guns from their cold dead hands sounds swell." - Me

November 28 2011, 11:31 PM	#589
Tom Hendricks Muad'Dib Location: Syracuse, NY	Re: The Walking Dead Season 2 Discussion Spoilers One observation about Dale. I don't know if this done on purpose or just my reading into it. Most characters on a show with the information that Dale has, would blurt it out. In trying to protect Andrea, try to show what kind of man Shane is. Then of course Shane would deny it and Dale would loose his credibility, until the time he is proven correct but by that time the Dale type character is usually dead. It started with his ruse about the water hose. Then continued with him talking to Lori then Herschel about the walkers in the barn. It looks like Dale is trying to be smarter and learning from the game he is playing. __________________ I believe in the teachings of the middle ground. I maybe blind but my heart can see. Of course I'm a creationist. I believe man created god.

November 29 2011, 12:37 AM	#593
Borgminister Moderator Location: California	Re: The Walking Dead Season 2 Discussion Spoilers Will somebody think of the (zombie) children!?

November 29 2011, 12:55 AM	#594
mr.peany Fleet Captain Location: Melbourne, Australia	Re: The Walking Dead Season 2 Discussion Spoilers I wonder how they will explain not telling the group about Sophia being in the barn. Someone other than Otis had to know. For one, the lady feeding the chickens to the horde. I do hope that this is addressed properly. __________________ Marge: "Oh no, how will the kids get home?" Homer : "I dunno, internet?" ^Problem solving, Homer Simpson style. http://unoland.myminicity.com/

November 29 2011, 03:27 AM	#597
Caliburn24 Commodore Location: Gig Harbor, Washington	Re: The Walking Dead Season 2 Discussion Spoilers Just watched the mid-season finale. It wasn't perfect, but the show is moving again instead of just spinning its wheels. I think in hindsight the first half of season two wasn't bad, but it was rather bloated and padded. It could easily have been a tight fast moving three episodes or so, and covered every single plot point. And without delving into spoilers(which I don't keep up on) I have the distinct impression that the back half of the season is going to be a relative bloodbath(haven't read the comics, no idea about any of that stuff). AMC wants to cut costs and that means in part a smaller cast. And with all the foreshadowing I think we'll probably see at least three of the cast killed by the end of season two. I'm thinking Carol, Dale, maybe Shane, maybe Daryl, almost certainly Hershel, maybe T-Dawg or whatever the black guy is named.

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November 29 2011, 03:57 AM	#598
WeAreTheBorg Vice Admiral Location: Sector 001	Re: The Walking Dead Season 2 Discussion Spoilers I don't know how any of you can live with yourself reading spoilers about an episode as shocking as that one. Man what an ending! It was so perfect yet so wrong and horrible. __________________ "You are not controlling the storm, and you are not lost in it. You are the storm." - Sam Harris "The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid." - GK Chesterton

November 29 2011, 04:05 AM	#600
sidious618 Admiral Location: New York, US	Re: The Walking Dead Season 2 Discussion Spoilers This was a damn good episode, the best one since the premiere this season. I was really letdown by most of the episodes in between but this one was a corker. The ending was heartbreaking, watching Hershel see his family get slaughtered and then seeing Sophia come out. Damn. It really felt like a massacre as they shot the zombies. That said, this show needs to get rolling again because this farm arc felt like a massive stall and as good as this episode was it doesn't make up for everything that came before. Someone needs to kill Shane. He's as dangerous as the zombies. __________________ We've met before, haven't we?