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Old November 28 2011, 04:53 PM   #2431
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I'm not sure how "Superman" is a vast improvement over what they were doing before since we really don't know DC's plans were going to be after JMS's Grounded story line or after Paul Cornell's arc in Action Comics.
I don't have to judge based on what they mighta/shoulda/coulda done someday but on what I saw them actually doing.

Supes with a little edge and attitude works, and it's shocking how simple it seems to be even for Perez to introduce some believable human friction into Clark's relationships with other human beings.

Dumping "Lois and Clark" works. Again, amazingly easy to do too.

The new versions of Jimmy Olsen, Perry White etc. work.

The new costume? Totally works.

Injecting some energy, conflict and chaos into the working environment at the Planet works.

Metropolis as this kind of hybrid gritty/fantasy "city of tomorrow" works. Airships?

Yes, I know they've tried several of those things before, piecemeal.
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Old November 28 2011, 04:59 PM   #2432
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I have a question about Red Hood and the Outlaws #3...

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Old November 28 2011, 07:04 PM   #2433
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He hates Bruce for not killing the Joker.
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Old November 28 2011, 10:09 PM   #2434
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Dennis don't get me wrong i love a lot of the changes that have been made for Superman, I guess just for me personally I don't see much difference story telling wise between now and say what we were getting a few months ago. For me I miss elements of the previous continuity while still enjoying the heck out of a lot of the changes. I think one of my favourite changes you mentioned is the friendship between Clark and Jimmy. There was always that component between them before but it was never a really close friendship or bond. I like that Morrison has created that new dynamic.
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Old November 28 2011, 10:15 PM   #2435
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I have a question about Red Hood and the Outlaws #3...

I'd push this a little bit further than Hound of UIster does: he resents Batman's failure to kill the Joker, but simultaneously knows that Bruce was the best thing to happen to him. He needs that memory gone to continue his path to bad-assery, as he understands it.
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Old November 29 2011, 01:52 AM   #2436
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Dennis don't get me wrong i love a lot of the changes that have been made for Superman, I guess just for me personally I don't see much difference story telling wise between now and say what we were getting a few months ago. For me I miss elements of the previous continuity while still enjoying the heck out of a lot of the changes. I think one of my favourite changes you mentioned is the friendship between Clark and Jimmy. There was always that component between them before but it was never a really close friendship or bond. I like that Morrison has created that new dynamic.
I like Perez's Superman. And I think losing the Lois/Clark marriage improves things. But I can't call it revolutionary or even evolutionary. So far, the story could have come right out of a John Byrne issue about 25 years ago. It's basically just Superman in a slightly different costume.
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Old November 29 2011, 03:53 AM   #2437
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But... but... He wears JEANS! And has a bit of a surly and cocky attitude.

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Old November 29 2011, 03:55 AM   #2438
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^ He's getting the costume we've seen in "Superman" soon the jeans and t-shirt are obvious a proto suit in Action Comics or as Morrison has called his costume before his "Action" suit. The attitude in Action are staples of the Golden Age Superman which this version has been inspired from.

Tony Daniel Detective Comics interview for those interested.


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Old November 29 2011, 04:37 AM   #2439
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Yes, I realize all of that. Just echoing some of the concerns/complaints some had over some of the early stuff we saw of a more cynical Superman running around in jeans.
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Old November 29 2011, 04:52 AM   #2440
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Whose "we"?
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Old November 29 2011, 04:57 AM   #2441
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People who saw previews of the art and read articles and interviews with the creative team?
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Old November 29 2011, 04:58 AM   #2442
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Whose "we"?
Ummm.... everyone? When all of the New52 pre-release stuff was coming out. I saw some criticism over the new look and attitude of Superman.
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Old November 29 2011, 04:59 AM   #2443
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Yeah I know who he meant by "we". I was one of them originally but came to like the t-shirt and jeans costume. I guess I should have just said that I'm not one of the "we" who doesn't like the proto-suit now.


This is somewhat interesting...

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/11/...he-dcu-new-52/
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Old November 29 2011, 05:08 AM   #2444
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Yeah I know who he meant by "we". I was one of them originally but came to like the t-shirt and jeans costume. I guess I should have just said that I'm not one of the "we" who doesn't like the proto-suit now.


This is somewhat interesting...

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/11/...he-dcu-new-52/
The operative words were the use of the past tense, implying that the negative reactions were all in the past.

When I saw the early release stuff it didn't bother me at all because even without reading about it I figured it had to be a proto-suit before he became a true costumed hero/learned his Kryptonian heritage.
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Old November 29 2011, 05:09 AM   #2445
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^ Gotcha. I kind of have come to like the proto-suit over the present day suit...*shrugs*, although I have warmed up to the suit just not the high collar and boots.
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