Why are the TOS movies better then the TNG movies? - Page 11

Anwar · November 13 2011, 04:30 PM

I liked TMP...

The Dominion · November 13 2011, 05:34 PM

So do I, but it's still hard to watch.

22 Stars · November 17 2011, 08:04 PM

CorporalCaptain wrote:

siskokid888 wrote:

ST 4 didn't have explosions, but it wasn't good.

Yet it was extremely successful. Apparently, a lot of people found it good after all. According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Tr...tical_response:

The Voyage Home garnered 11 nominations at the 14th annual Saturn Awards, tying Aliens for number of nominations. Nimoy and Shatner were nominated for best actor for their roles,[65] and Catherine Hicks was nominated for best supporting actress. At the 59th Academy Awards, The Voyage Home was nominated for Best Cinematography, Sound (Terry Porter, David J. Hudson, Mel Metcalfe and Gene Cantamessa), Sound Effects Editing, and Music.[66][67]

This. People like Trek for various reasons, and everyone is entitled to their own, but the public spoke loud and clear with TVH.

Therin of Andor · November 17 2011, 09:26 PM

The Dominion wrote:

... but it's still hard to watch.

No it's not. Just relax and listen to the pretty music.

Still my favourite movie of all time (not just ST), now in a tie with JJ's ST.

Kai Winn · November 18 2011, 02:05 PM

I don't think the TOS movies were better than the TNG movies, on the contrary. Every movie in the group VI - X was better than anything in I to V, and the worst of the pack is TWOK. Nemesis had at least a fine space battle, while the FX in TWOK are the stuff of nightmares.
In hindsight, the standard for SF on the big screen was maybe set by Alien in 1979. TMP was a greater box office hit in the same year, and since that was a lulling kind of movie, it's success can only be explained by the faithful fans of Star Trek. Paramount obviously believed the fans will take anything, and produced the string of poor movies which II - V are for the better part. I actually liked every one of them when they were new, but everything has moved on for 30 years.

The Dominion · November 18 2011, 02:55 PM

Therin of Andor wrote:

The Dominion wrote:

... but it's still hard to watch.

No it's not. Just relax and listen to the pretty music.

Still my favourite movie of all time (not just ST), now in a tie with JJ's ST.

Yes it is, I watched it with my grandma and she actually asked if there was something wrong with the TV during one of the scenes of the Enterprise moving through space.

22 Stars · November 18 2011, 03:02 PM

Therin of Andor wrote:

The Dominion wrote:

... but it's still hard to watch.

No it's not. Just relax and listen to the pretty music.

Still my favourite movie of all time (not just ST), now in a tie with JJ's ST.

I agree, the music makes the movie (and makes up for all its faults)! As I think the the music really helps JJ Trek. I even used the cue 'Labor of Love' for my processional at my wedding two years ago

sonak · November 18 2011, 05:14 PM

Therin of Andor wrote:

The Dominion wrote:

... but it's still hard to watch.

No it's not. Just relax and listen to the pretty music.

Still my favourite movie of all time (not just ST), now in a tie with JJ's ST.

what a random combination of favorites, as they're almost total opposites.

"my two favorite movies are "Wizard of OZ" And "Saw"--it's just so hard to choose between them!"

(sarcasm: I hate pornographic violence movies like "Saw," it was used for the sake of absurdism)

22 Stars · November 18 2011, 08:19 PM

People choose favorite films not just because of their face value content, but also because of what they represent to them emotionally. I can totally understand the two Therin chooses. They both represent a rebirth of Trek in the mainstream with artistic flair and grandeur.

sonak · November 18 2011, 09:50 PM

22 Stars wrote:

People choose favorite films not just because of their face value content, but also because of what they represent to them emotionally. I can totally understand the two Therin chooses. They both represent a rebirth of Trek in the mainstream with artistic flair and grandeur.

yeah, I guess it could be looked at that way. Though I think that TWOK is a better choice if that's the reasoning, because though TMP was a box office hit, it was a critical flop and a huge disappointment, fan-wise. Had there been another movie or two like TMP, the movie series would have been in trouble.

And don't get me wrong, obviously fans can choose whatever are their subjective choices they want. It's just that it's a very dissimilar pair of movies put together.

Therin of Andor · November 19 2011, 12:48 AM

sonak wrote:

what a random combination of favorites, as they're almost total opposites.

Exactly but, so far, only those two ST movies have given me that extraordinarily immersive experience, where I get so totally sucked in by the premise, sets, alien makeups, uniforms, SPFX, dialogue and music that I feel like I'm actually on that ship. Thirty years apart, but amazingly close.

sonak wrote:

Though I think that TWOK is a better choice if that's the reasoning, because though TMP was a box office hit, it was a critical flop and a huge disappointment, fan-wise.

Not to this fan. TMP was essentially my introduction to ST, knowing only random TAS and a few TOS episodes. Imagine my surprise joining a ST club in 1980 and finding out that most ST fans I met hated the movie. Luckily, TMP drew in others who loved TMP, so I hung around with them. By contrast, ST II (which I could see was more of a crowd pleaser) was veering my ST away from my favourite, almost erasing TMP from other fans' memories, which is what Harve Bennett was employed to do.

22 Stars wrote:

People choose favorite films not just because of their face value content, but also because of what they represent to them emotionally. I can totally understand the two Therin chooses. They both represent a rebirth of Trek in the mainstream with artistic flair and grandeur.

Exactly.

plynch · November 21 2011, 03:31 AM

Gee - What does it say about me if my two faves are Day the Earth Stood Still and Cool Hand Luke?

Peach Wookiee · November 26 2011, 05:51 PM

plynch wrote:

Gee - What does it say about me if my two faves are Day the Earth Stood Still and Cool Hand Luke?

You want the Sci-Fi/Fantasy forum down the hall.

Greg Cox · November 26 2011, 06:15 PM

plynch wrote:

Gee - What does it say about me if my two faves are Day the Earth Stood Still and Cool Hand Luke?

Yeah, who says that your favorite movies have to be artistically compatible?

Two of my favorite movies are Singin' in the Rain and The Wicker Man (the original Christopher Lee version, of course). All depends on what mood I'm in . . . .

sonak · November 26 2011, 06:40 PM

Greg Cox wrote:

plynch wrote:

Gee - What does it say about me if my two faves are Day the Earth Stood Still and Cool Hand Luke?

Yeah, who says that your favorite movies have to be artistically compatible?

Two of my favorite movies are Singin' in the Rain and The Wicker Man (the original Christopher Lee version, of course). All depends on what mood I'm in . . . .

obviously that's not what I was saying. He was comparing two movies from the same film franchise in the same genre, and they were about as unlike as can be.

of course if you're choosing favorites from ACROSS whole genres you're going to have very disimilar choices, but that's a completely different issue.

November 13 2011, 04:30 PM	#151
Anwar Vice Admiral Location: Regina, SK, Canada	Re: Why are the TOS movies better then the TNG movies? I liked TMP...

November 13 2011, 05:34 PM	#152
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November 18 2011, 02:05 PM	#155
Kai Winn Captain	Re: Why are the TOS movies better then the TNG movies? I don't think the TOS movies were better than the TNG movies, on the contrary. Every movie in the group VI - X was better than anything in I to V, and the worst of the pack is TWOK. Nemesis had at least a fine space battle, while the FX in TWOK are the stuff of nightmares. In hindsight, the standard for SF on the big screen was maybe set by Alien in 1979. TMP was a greater box office hit in the same year, and since that was a lulling kind of movie, it's success can only be explained by the faithful fans of Star Trek. Paramount obviously believed the fans will take anything, and produced the string of poor movies which II - V are for the better part. I actually liked every one of them when they were new, but everything has moved on for 30 years. __________________ the next sentence is false. the previous sentence is true.

November 18 2011, 08:19 PM	#159
22 Stars Commodore	Re: Why are the TOS movies better then the TNG movies? People choose favorite films not just because of their face value content, but also because of what they represent to them emotionally. I can totally understand the two Therin chooses. They both represent a rebirth of Trek in the mainstream with artistic flair and grandeur.

November 21 2011, 03:31 AM	#162
plynch Fleet Captain Location: Outer Graceland	Re: Why are the TOS movies better then the TNG movies? Gee - What does it say about me if my two faves are Day the Earth Stood Still and Cool Hand Luke? __________________ Author of Live Like Louis: Inspirational Stories from the Life of Louis Armstrong, http://livelikelouis.com.

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