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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old November 13 2011, 04:30 PM   #151
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Re: Why are the TOS movies better then the TNG movies?

I liked TMP...
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Old November 13 2011, 05:34 PM   #152
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Re: Why are the TOS movies better then the TNG movies?

So do I, but it's still hard to watch.
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Old November 17 2011, 08:04 PM   #153
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ST 4 didn't have explosions, but it wasn't good.
Yet it was extremely successful. Apparently, a lot of people found it good after all. According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Tr...tical_response:

The Voyage Home garnered 11 nominations at the 14th annual Saturn Awards, tying Aliens for number of nominations. Nimoy and Shatner were nominated for best actor for their roles,[65] and Catherine Hicks was nominated for best supporting actress. At the 59th Academy Awards, The Voyage Home was nominated for Best Cinematography, Sound (Terry Porter, David J. Hudson, Mel Metcalfe and Gene Cantamessa), Sound Effects Editing, and Music.[66][67]
This. People like Trek for various reasons, and everyone is entitled to their own, but the public spoke loud and clear with TVH.
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Old November 17 2011, 09:26 PM   #154
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Re: Why are the TOS movies better then the TNG movies?

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... but it's still hard to watch.
No it's not. Just relax and listen to the pretty music.

Still my favourite movie of all time (not just ST), now in a tie with JJ's ST.
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Old November 18 2011, 02:05 PM   #155
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I don't think the TOS movies were better than the TNG movies, on the contrary. Every movie in the group VI - X was better than anything in I to V, and the worst of the pack is TWOK. Nemesis had at least a fine space battle, while the FX in TWOK are the stuff of nightmares.
In hindsight, the standard for SF on the big screen was maybe set by Alien in 1979. TMP was a greater box office hit in the same year, and since that was a lulling kind of movie, it's success can only be explained by the faithful fans of Star Trek. Paramount obviously believed the fans will take anything, and produced the string of poor movies which II - V are for the better part. I actually liked every one of them when they were new, but everything has moved on for 30 years.
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Old November 18 2011, 02:55 PM   #156
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... but it's still hard to watch.
No it's not. Just relax and listen to the pretty music.

Still my favourite movie of all time (not just ST), now in a tie with JJ's ST.
Yes it is, I watched it with my grandma and she actually asked if there was something wrong with the TV during one of the scenes of the Enterprise moving through space.
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Old November 18 2011, 03:02 PM   #157
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... but it's still hard to watch.
No it's not. Just relax and listen to the pretty music.

Still my favourite movie of all time (not just ST), now in a tie with JJ's ST.
I agree, the music makes the movie (and makes up for all its faults)! As I think the the music really helps JJ Trek. I even used the cue 'Labor of Love' for my processional at my wedding two years ago
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Old November 18 2011, 05:14 PM   #158
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... but it's still hard to watch.
No it's not. Just relax and listen to the pretty music.

Still my favourite movie of all time (not just ST), now in a tie with JJ's ST.

what a random combination of favorites, as they're almost total opposites.

"my two favorite movies are "Wizard of OZ" And "Saw"--it's just so hard to choose between them!"



(sarcasm: I hate pornographic violence movies like "Saw," it was used for the sake of absurdism)
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Old November 18 2011, 08:19 PM   #159
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People choose favorite films not just because of their face value content, but also because of what they represent to them emotionally. I can totally understand the two Therin chooses. They both represent a rebirth of Trek in the mainstream with artistic flair and grandeur.
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Old November 18 2011, 09:50 PM   #160
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People choose favorite films not just because of their face value content, but also because of what they represent to them emotionally. I can totally understand the two Therin chooses. They both represent a rebirth of Trek in the mainstream with artistic flair and grandeur.

yeah, I guess it could be looked at that way. Though I think that TWOK is a better choice if that's the reasoning, because though TMP was a box office hit, it was a critical flop and a huge disappointment, fan-wise. Had there been another movie or two like TMP, the movie series would have been in trouble.


And don't get me wrong, obviously fans can choose whatever are their subjective choices they want. It's just that it's a very dissimilar pair of movies put together.
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Old November 19 2011, 12:48 AM   #161
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what a random combination of favorites, as they're almost total opposites.
Exactly but, so far, only those two ST movies have given me that extraordinarily immersive experience, where I get so totally sucked in by the premise, sets, alien makeups, uniforms, SPFX, dialogue and music that I feel like I'm actually on that ship. Thirty years apart, but amazingly close.

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Though I think that TWOK is a better choice if that's the reasoning, because though TMP was a box office hit, it was a critical flop and a huge disappointment, fan-wise.
Not to this fan. TMP was essentially my introduction to ST, knowing only random TAS and a few TOS episodes. Imagine my surprise joining a ST club in 1980 and finding out that most ST fans I met hated the movie. Luckily, TMP drew in others who loved TMP, so I hung around with them. By contrast, ST II (which I could see was more of a crowd pleaser) was veering my ST away from my favourite, almost erasing TMP from other fans' memories, which is what Harve Bennett was employed to do.

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People choose favorite films not just because of their face value content, but also because of what they represent to them emotionally. I can totally understand the two Therin chooses. They both represent a rebirth of Trek in the mainstream with artistic flair and grandeur.
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Old November 21 2011, 03:31 AM   #162
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Re: Why are the TOS movies better then the TNG movies?

Gee - What does it say about me if my two faves are Day the Earth Stood Still and Cool Hand Luke?
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Old November 26 2011, 05:51 PM   #163
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Gee - What does it say about me if my two faves are Day the Earth Stood Still and Cool Hand Luke?
You want the Sci-Fi/Fantasy forum down the hall.
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Old November 26 2011, 06:15 PM   #164
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Gee - What does it say about me if my two faves are Day the Earth Stood Still and Cool Hand Luke?
Yeah, who says that your favorite movies have to be artistically compatible?

Two of my favorite movies are Singin' in the Rain and The Wicker Man (the original Christopher Lee version, of course). All depends on what mood I'm in . . . .
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Old November 26 2011, 06:40 PM   #165
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Gee - What does it say about me if my two faves are Day the Earth Stood Still and Cool Hand Luke?
Yeah, who says that your favorite movies have to be artistically compatible?

Two of my favorite movies are Singin' in the Rain and The Wicker Man (the original Christopher Lee version, of course). All depends on what mood I'm in . . . .

obviously that's not what I was saying. He was comparing two movies from the same film franchise in the same genre, and they were about as unlike as can be.


of course if you're choosing favorites from ACROSS whole genres you're going to have very disimilar choices, but that's a completely different issue.
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